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Author:  Zero5005 [ Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:22 pm ]
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Ok destroying SD in a game when you are in total control is one thing, or if outrageous edits allow it 8:1 but when your going against a corp with 4 evils and 1 good wouldn't it be better for you to take out SD rendering money useless, 1:1 figs made on planets. especially if you already have the universe known, same exact game banged twice. Anyway please voice your oppinion on this topic thanx... Zero
Author:  herzogwilybot [ Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:24 pm ]
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A.) Bringing what you did foolishly on another game public isn't a good idea, it just makes us both look foolish.

B.) Read http://tw2002.servebeer.com BEFORE you play any of my games, that's WHY theres a webpage up at that server. It says right on it, not reading the webpage is no excuse. I am sorry, you should have thought a little more about what you did before you did it. Too bad.
Author:  Gravedigr [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:17 am ]
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It says what right on it? I read it and am looking for don't destroy stardock, but I don't see it. Unless I'm supposed to be looking for something else. I do find it interesting that you allow dupes. I guess that makes your life easier not having to enforce no dupes, but I forsee lots of problems with unscupulous players. But thats your choice to make.

As for blowing stardock. I don't see a problem with it, but then that makes me "one of the people killing tradewars".
Author:  Zero5005 [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:42 am ]
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This is all I see herz and probably all that anyone who uses your server sees

TW2002.SERVEBEER.COM Server Rules:
Dupes are allowed. Please do not log into the same game with more than one character at the same time. You can however, log the same name into the service twice to play two different games if you would like. Other than that, don't be vulgar if asked not to be, otherwise freedom of speech reigns over the server. If someone complains on a person being vulgar repeatedly after being asked not to be, the person at fault will be banned. Otherwise, enjoy yourself and feel free to make as many characters as needed. Report buggers to my email as well, if you locate a bug email a report of it to me so I can get it forwarded and fixed. Thanks for stopping by!

Oh well if what I did was bad oh well it was my choice, and for posting it on the web, I did it to win, I win at all costs, without duping of course, because if you can't win with one character you can't win at all.
Author:  herzogwilybot [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:48 am ]
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Hey I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, and I saved the wrong filename to index, but that is correct now. It's still no excuse. What fun is a game if you can not BUY a new ship when you need one? Or genesis torpedoes, or anything else? You tell me how that does any good for the game. And on another note you ASKED for more competition, and you are taking out stardock on the 3rd day the game is open? And you wonder why people don't play in games with you.. Go figure. 1 week man, that's what you got coming, be glad I don't just leave you banned since you obviously can't even see how destroying stardock is ruining the game for others. Some games have automatic no fire truces until a certain point, but it's not something you can program into tw, and it doesn't make it legal to do, just because the game lets you do something doesn't mean it's fair or alright for teh other players, look at all the bugs taht have had to been eliminated...
Author:  herzogwilybot [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:52 am ]
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Oh and one last thing, I don't run the tw2002 server for any individual, and if you don't like my rules you don't have to play. I just want to make sure that things like the ability for new people to make planets, ESPECIALLY when it's vital to the winning of the game, and aren't deprived of it before they even had a chance to join just because someone can't handle a little bloody competition. I'd suggest you get over yourself because acting like that will get you banned in a lot of other places too. I am trying to keep my games fair, especially when people complain of a lack of competition. If you are doing things to prevent your competition from ever getting any stronger then you have NO RIGHT to complain, and you were the only one complaining.
Author:  Zero5005 [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:03 am ]
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aparently destroying SD was built in to be a strategic move otherwise they would be indestructable. Trade is only part of tradeWARS and in war you win at all costs, anyway how many new players have a chance after day 3 or 4 whether SD is gone or not when you fight a war don't you take out arms factories? resouce development plants? That's what SD and planets are for. And if you go back I was asking for a rebang because there was no competition because we had already won it. Anyway if you could stop your competition from getting anywhere in a game wouldn't you do it??? Oh and neglecting to post the rules and changing them when they don't fit. Also in my mind a normal game has about 1000 turns a day. Your game had 7440 a day. So we were actually in day 21 on a more acurate count that's what I use when thinking of joining a game. If you want to ban me fine. I don't play unlimited turn games anyway. And it seems that what your server is good for. You also may want to put in no SD blockades in your rules also. Same thing as taking it out but requires more resources. But it still pops newbies.

You also might want to check your website again it's still not in the rules
Author:  herzogwilybot [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:09 am ]
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Look I'm tired of fueling what looks like a kindergarten debate on these boards, and this is what it boils down to: If you do something that eliminates constructiveness from the game such as planets and mines (and in previous versions of tw destroying the stardock WASNT possible, believe me) but at any rate, blocking stardock into an older active game is a completely different story than blocking one that's 1 day old ESPECIALLY after complaining about a lack of competition. All I am trying to say is for the love of god do not complain about smoething you were generating yourself. and I could care less abuot your opinon or whether or not you play my twgs, I do not run this tw server for you. I think you should go find a game the sysop doesn't care about and try to ruin it for them instead of me anyway. Goodbye.
Author:  Vid Kid [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:11 am ]
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quote:Originally posted by Zero5005

This is all I see herz and probably all that anyone who uses your server sees

TW2002.SERVEBEER.COM Server Rules:
Dupes are allowed. Please do not log into the same game with more than one character at the same time. You can however, log the same name into the service twice to play two different games if you would like. Other than that, don't be vulgar if asked not to be, otherwise freedom of speech reigns over the server. If someone complains on a person being vulgar repeatedly after being asked not to be, the person at fault will be banned. Otherwise, enjoy yourself and feel free to make as many characters as needed. Report buggers to my email as well, if you locate a bug email a report of it to me so I can get it forwarded and fixed. Thanks for stopping by!

Oh well if what I did was bad oh well it was my choice, and for posting it on the web, I did it to win, I win at all costs, without duping of course, because if you can't win with one character you can't win at all.



Sorry to get in on this thread so late , but first thing I seen and have to comment on "Dupes are allowed" and "Please do not log into the same game with more than one character at the same time."
Why not just say "Multiple game play is allowed but NO DUPPING".
And now the second part .. Put something in RULES to say no blowing SD for 14 days or something like that.
SD could always be blown up ,since the multi player days. It just required a corpie to feed the attacked fighters to do it in a stock game.
Later when more sysops complained, J.P. added a feature to re-gen Star Dock after radiation cleared or observer ported to it.
I have asked if J.P. would make SD stronger (say about as strong as it would be if it had been blown 4 or 5 times) on day 0.
You could bang a game and do it yourself before starting a game if your against this stratigy.

As always your the sysop and can do what you want , your free to chase your players away .. other sysop's don't mind getting your players [:)]

just my $.02

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Author:  herzogwilybot [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:13 am ]
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The only reason I felt in particular the need to ban him was because of the fact that not even a week ago he really was bugging me to rebang the game ebcause there was no competition..but he takes away the ability for anybody new to do anything? So, basically, he's creating a problem for me any which way it's cut, so I am not fretting whether or not he is here..not many players are appreciative of that kind of a strategy, and rightfully so.
Author:  Harley Nuss [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:20 pm ]
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It's your server to run how you see fit, but it's my opinion it's bad policy to ban people when they didn't violate any posted rules. On another note, if you don't want SD blown, perhaps you should set rad clear to 1 day (that way SD will regen every night at extern) or simply post that any time you see it blown, you will rebuild it by porting at it with an observer account. Either of those options will make it end up hurting someone who blows up dock more than it helps them.
Author:  Harley Nuss [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:21 pm ]
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Also, if you want to argue over how a server is run, in the future do it in the smack talk forums, please.
Author:  Gravedigr [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:45 pm ]
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quote:have to comment on "Dupes are allowed" and "Please do not log into the same game with more than one character at the same time."


I see that as you can dupe but you can't just have your dupes online at the same time. Login as character A go to stardock sell ship for scout, logoff, loging as character B take cash from character A sell ship for scout, logoff, repeat...by the time you get to character Z you've got a lot of cash and haven't violated any rules. Hehe..sorry just being cynical.
Author:  Zero5005 [ Sun Apr 27, 2003 7:11 pm ]
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Really bugging you? I asked you once, twice at most for a rebang because there was no chance for people to win because we took over the game. To begin a takeover the second time I took out SD. Like I said before I play to win, even if it chases players away from a server because the competition wants to win.
Author:  herzogwilybot [ Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:19 am ]
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first off zero i owe you an apology, but before what I say makes me look really stupid I'd like to add that before I started playing again it had been over 6 years, I was completely unaware stardock regenerated when it's halflife went away and I will make sure to set halflives to something reasonably fair..
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