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Balancing building vs. hunting
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Author:  John Pritchett [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Not seeing the image. But yeah, this is something I've explored. I've prototyped a weapon that would jump from sector to sector destroying fighters as it goes, forking out into multiple paths until a random number of figs have been consumed. If you have a large blanket of single figs, it could rip through a wide space. But it won't be that effective against larger deployments of fighters. The cost of the weapon would be based on the average number of fighters that it might consume, but depending on how it's used, it could do far more or far less damage.

I don't think we're ready to drop something like this in yet. But it's a possibility.

But in general, I agree with Mongoose. We need to shake things up because the game has become too one-dimensional.
Author:  Singularity [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Mongoose wrote:
And then what? The minute you tow it out, your figs go rogue.


Don't tow it out. You need to actually spend some time in competitive games gridding to understand why this would work.

Mongoose wrote:
And then that can be balanced by limiting the turns. The point is to eliminate gridding as the be-all, end-all, game-winning strategy, and bring it back to building vs. hunting.


And you would not accomplish that end with this approach.
Author:  Singularity [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:51 pm ]
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Master Blaster wrote:
A little off handed but what's really needed is a new weapon. A weapon that can clear the figs from the sector you're in and all the surrounding sectors with one hit.


Perfect, you do that. As soon as I see the weapon go off, I'll have a script to pgrid right next to you and fire a photon. I would not need to guess, it's very simple to determine this sort of thing (as my mine-sweeper photon script can prove). I would actually love to see this in a game, it would bring about a whole new set of script war tactics ;).
Author:  Master Blaster [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:47 pm ]
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Singularity wrote:
Master Blaster wrote:
A little off handed but what's really needed is a new weapon. A weapon that can clear the figs from the sector you're in and all the surrounding sectors with one hit.


Perfect, you do that. As soon as I see the weapon go off, I'll have a script to pgrid right next to you and fire a photon. I would not need to guess, it's very simple to determine this sort of thing (as my mine-sweeper photon script can prove). I would actually love to see this in a game, it would bring about a whole new set of script war tactics ;).


When was the last time you manually played a game?
Author:  T0yman [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Singularity wrote:
Perfect, you do that. As soon as I see the weapon go off, I'll have a script to pgrid right next to you and fire a photon. I would not need to guess, it's very simple to determine this sort of thing (as my mine-sweeper photon script can prove). I would actually love to see this in a game, it would bring about a whole new set of script war tactics ;).


Yea no one would ever think of firing and jumping out using a script. Or possibly lift, fire, land and leave. :)
I just know everyone that uses it will sit there waiting to see what happens next, I know I would.

There are games out there that people actually play just to have fun and mess with each other, without the pressure of win or lose. Would be nice to see some additions to the game with some new type weapons and or ship options. Change is good....most of the time.
Author:  John Pritchett [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Singularity wrote:
Master Blaster wrote:
A little off handed but what's really needed is a new weapon. A weapon that can clear the figs from the sector you're in and all the surrounding sectors with one hit.


Perfect, you do that. As soon as I see the weapon go off, I'll have a script to pgrid right next to you and fire a photon. I would not need to guess, it's very simple to determine this sort of thing (as my mine-sweeper photon script can prove). I would actually love to see this in a game, it would bring about a whole new set of script war tactics ;).


Who says you have to get a message? You're a very smart person, Sing, but it sometimes amazes me how static your thinking is about this game and the options we have to deal with tactics like this.
Author:  Singularity [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
John Pritchett wrote:
Who says you have to get a message? You're a very smart person, Sing, but it sometimes amazes me how static your thinking is about this game and the options we have to deal with tactics like this.


Oh even better, I can calculate the most optimal paths to send these things and destroy my enemy's grid w/o them ever having a chance to stop me! Yes, by all means, do that. :) hehe...
Author:  Singularity [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Master Blaster wrote:
When was the last time you manually played a game?


Never. I have never played a game without the use of at least some kind of macro or script. Even back in the mid-90s, I used telemate macros and scripts.

I have no sympathy for manual players, and I have no desire to play manually.
Author:  Singularity [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
T0yman wrote:
Yea no one would ever think of firing and jumping out using a script. Or possibly lift, fire, land and leave. :)
I just know everyone that uses it will sit there waiting to see what happens next, I know I would.


Muhaha... script wars!

I've seen the same thing with mine disrupters, but I still have a lot of fun torping them. You'd be surprised how easy it is. I've got an entire set of planet-invasion scripts for stuff like this (detect a planet, pgrid in, use bots to get a rider on their planet, chase it, kill it), too. Script wars rock.
Author:  John Pritchett [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Any major change is going to have ripple effects and require other changes to bring things back into balance. I know that providing a weapon to bust grids will unbalance the game. I'm not ready to do it. There's a reason people are gridding. It's not for giggles. You can't take that away without shifting the balance. But gridding just isn't good for the game. At some point, it may just be best to eliminate it, then figure out where to go from there.
Author:  Kavanagh [ Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
John Pritchett wrote:
But gridding just isn't good for the game. At some point, it may just be best to eliminate it, then figure out where to go from there.


Perhaps consider random elimination of x% sector deployed figs not over an L1 or better citadel - or somesuch filter condition, or no more than y% of the Universe can be figged, at extern?
Author:  Master Blaster [ Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:28 pm ]
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How about this. Figs expire after a preset amount of time in any sector without a planet? Make is sysop configurable.
Author:  John Pritchett [ Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
These are all worth considering. I'm just not quite ready to tackle this yet.
Author:  Mongoose [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Singularity wrote:
Don't tow it out. You need to actually spend some time in competitive games gridding to understand why this would work.


So you're going to spend several thousand credits per sector to grid a significant portion of the universe? I don't think so.
Author:  Singularity [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Balancing building vs. hunting
Mongoose wrote:
So you're going to spend several thousand credits per sector to grid a significant portion of the universe? I don't think so.


Yes, I do that all the time when I drop mines. I don't think you've seen much modern corp play.
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