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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
You were in the game yesterday. For playing your turns today, you receive 1 experience point(s). and your alignment went up by 1 point(s).
2 27,820 -129,164 5 Cruncher Viper X 5 13,182 1,658 5 cougar Imperial StarShip 6 12,491 -20,495 5 Xanos Viper X 9 4,606 1,741 5 Timberwolf Imperial StarShip
We should have been penalized 435, but were not.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:46 am |
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Kavanagh
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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 1410 Location: Boo! inc. Ireland
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Cruncher wrote: You were in the game yesterday. For playing your turns today, you receive 1 experience point(s). and your alignment went up by 1 point(s).
2 27,820 -129,164 5 Cruncher Viper X 5 13,182 1,658 5 cougar Imperial StarShip 6 12,491 -20,495 5 Xanos Viper X 9 4,606 1,741 5 Timberwolf Imperial StarShip
We should have been penalized 435, but were not. 1. How much did you lose? 2. Are you sure that the above were current at Extern?
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:37 am |
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Scrat
Chief Warrant Officer
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:15 am Posts: 142
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
The penalty is applied at extern not when you log into the game. Check your message log for extern and you should see a penalty message.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:24 pm |
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Singularity
Veteran Op
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 5558 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
LOL. Uhm, yeh. What scrat said. The penalty happens at extern, not login.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:48 pm |
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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Kavanagh wrote: Cruncher wrote: You were in the game yesterday. For playing your turns today, you receive 1 experience point(s). and your alignment went up by 1 point(s).
2 27,820 -129,164 5 Cruncher Viper X 5 13,182 1,658 5 cougar Imperial StarShip 6 12,491 -20,495 5 Xanos Viper X 9 4,606 1,741 5 Timberwolf Imperial StarShip
We should have been penalized 435, but were not. 1. How much did you lose? 2. Are you sure that the above were current at Extern? I'm EST, the server is CST.. I'm sleeping at extern But seriously, a few days ago when my exp and alignment was not that high (low) we were getting the penalty, and it showed the first time I logged into the game that day.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:50 pm |
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Singularity
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Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 5558 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Cruncher wrote: But seriously, a few days ago when my exp and alignment was not that high (low) we were getting the penalty, and it showed the first time I logged into the game that day. Because it comes in as a message. It doesn't happen when you log in, it happens at extern. It also sends a message to you, that if you haven't cleared, will show up if you pay attention. But seriously, this stuff has been known for a long time now. It's not a bug, it's PEBCAK.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:58 pm |
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booger
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:59 pm Posts: 782
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
round here we call it a PICNIC...
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:14 pm |
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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Singularity wrote: But seriously, this stuff has been known for a long time now. It's not a bug, it's PEBCAK. PEBCAK ? You guys have created so many new acronyms since I last played, I sometimes wonder if we're talking about the same game.
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:36 pm |
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Singularity
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Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 5558 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Cruncher wrote: PEBCAK ?
You guys have created so many new acronyms since I last played, I sometimes wonder if we're talking about the same game. Uhm. This is an old acronym.
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:19 pm |
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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Singularity wrote: Uhm. This is an old acronym. Not old enough, come on.. give!
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:35 pm |
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Crosby
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:00 am Posts: 793 Location: Iowa
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Googled answer: Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
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Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:08 pm |
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booger
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:59 pm Posts: 782
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
PICNIC is problem in chair not in computer, and these are old acronyms indeed...
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Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:34 am |
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Cruncher
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
booger wrote: PICNIC is problem in chair not in computer, and these are old acronyms indeed... OK, Now my opponent has played pod wars, has a red an blue max align and after extern they both have 0 exp. This is what I would expect to see happen. My question is where's the breaking point? At what point do you start getting the penalty? AND is the red wth 0 exp, max alignment now fed safe? This just really sounds like it's distorting the game, seriously. Back in the day we'd play red/blue teams, never mixed corps. We'd play pod wars to get our blue's alignment up, but the red would also gain exp. This mixed corp is too easy, mega rob bug is too easy... seems this game has lost some of it's challenges.
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Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:59 am |
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Kavanagh
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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 1410 Location: Boo! inc. Ireland
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Cruncher wrote: booger wrote: PICNIC is problem in chair not in computer, and these are old acronyms indeed... OK, Now my opponent has played pod wars, has a red an blue max align and after extern they both have 0 exp. This is what I would expect to see happen. My question is where's the breaking point? At what point do you start getting the penalty? AND is the red wth 0 exp, max alignment now fed safe? This just really sounds like it's distorting the game, seriously. Back in the day we'd play red/blue teams, never mixed corps. We'd play pod wars to get our blue's alignment up, but the red would also gain exp. This mixed corp is too easy, mega rob bug is too easy... seems this game has lost some of it's challenges. Red with zero exp, any negative align, is dogfood in fedspace. IIRC, mixed corps have always been allowed under TWGS, or did this come into play after you quit? I played TW through the change to TWGS and thought mixed corp was always in TWGS, but getting old and brain might be going
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Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:11 am |
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Crosby
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Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:00 am Posts: 793 Location: Iowa
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Re: Mixed Corp Penalty bug?
Quote: My question is where's the breaking point? At what point do you start getting the penalty? It's a 'mixed-corp' penalty, so it applies whenever two or more players are on a corp together and have different alignments. Even 1 and -1 align is mixed, just the penalty is sub-integer. Sing wrote: Take the highest blue, lowest red. Of those two, take the one with the less "extreme" alignment (higher if red, lower if blue). Take that, divide by 4. That's the experience lost at extern. This only applies to people that are not #SD#.
So if you've got a blue with 2000 align and a red with -50,000, you can expect to lose 500 exp. http://tw-cabal.navhaz.com/formulas.html
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