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Kewlbreeze
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Cruncher wrote: Kewlbreeze wrote: So your saying that you could bwarp anywhere in the universe and not use any planet fuel to do so at some point in TW history? Ah.. nope, you needed a Level 1 with a t-pad and fuel. So if you CAN'T PLOT the course how much fuel did you use? btw bwarp= t-pad in TW lango...
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Cruncher
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Kewlbreeze wrote: [So if you CAN'T PLOT the course how much fuel did you use? btw bwarp= t-pad in TW lango... It was a BUG! T-pad did not require plotting a course then. Now it does so now you cannot blind warp to an orphaned sector. It's FIXED.
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Kewlbreeze
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Cruncher wrote: Kewlbreeze wrote: [So if you CAN'T PLOT the course how much fuel did you use? btw bwarp= t-pad in TW lango... It was a BUG! T-pad did not require plotting a course then. Now it does so now you cannot blind warp to an orphaned sector. It's FIXED. Your sure you needed fuel on that level 1 planet to get to a area that did not have a way in.
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Parrothead
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
I remember games with black holes. YOu could warp in to them but not out...But the game would set the xport distance to zero sectors to export out.
They made excellent bank planet sectors for those 2 year old games. Load the sector with figs and set the cannons and it was near impossible to invade
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Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:43 pm |
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
I'll have a look at that. Thanks, Sing.
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Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:10 pm |
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Big D
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Has anyone with the beta software tried to import a sub zero edit yet? It also must have edits from older versions of TWGS because the beta software won't edit it unless it's rebanged. If you rebang it with the only option that works, the ships/planets are all there, but 2 of the alien races are lost.
If the game is NOT rebanged, and the game is active this is what I get when I log into the game thru a player node and it kicks me back to the main screen:
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W Version 3.11 data detected. Converting to latest data
Converting records... (Original data saved as *.311)
GOLD Alien Records GOLD Planet Records Planet Records User Records ¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦
Edit: Anyone wanting to see what it does when you log in, it's active in the B slot at silverwingstwgs.com port 23
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Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:56 pm |
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Same bug as with the other TWA.
The new update is up if you want to give it a try. I'm working on a major memory leak that's crashing Ice9, but I went ahead and posted an update with a few minor bug fixes including this one.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:20 am |
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
If you grabbed the latest update before 10/8/2010 9:30 am central time, grab it again because I had a bad file and just replaced it.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:32 am |
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Vid Kid
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
The last upgrade I have is file version 5.0.349.0 is that current ?
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:48 pm |
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Yes, that's the latest one I've posted. Will have another one here soon, probably tonight.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:48 pm |
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Parrothead
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Why did the bang allow warps of more than 45? This is not going to work.
Either we need a longer warp path allowed or Big Bang needs to limit the warp paths better
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:51 am |
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
I'm looking into this a bit, and I'm not sure there's a bug here. The fact is, Bigbang has never guaranteed that there is a course from each sector to each other sector. It guarantees that there is a valid course from Sector 1 to each sector. But if the maximum course length is 20, then it's theoretically possible that sector A is 20 hops from sector 1, and sector B is 20 hops from 1, and that the only way between these two sectors is through 1 so that the length of a course from Sector A to Sector B is actually 40 hops, twice the maximum course length.
The processing involved in doing a hard test for a valid course from any sector to any other sector is just too much. For a 1000 sector game, it's 1 million course plots. For a 30K sector game, it's 900 million plots.
One way to force a maximum course length on all courses would be to force all courses from sector 1 to sector N to be <= MaxCourseLength/2. That way, the longest possible path from any sector to 1 would be MaxCourseLength/2, and the longest possible path would be from Sector A to Sector B through Sector 1 at MaxCourseLength. I would be willing to make that change, but it will constitute a change in universe creation, which is not a trivial thing.
My guess is the reason this is showing up now is because with 30K sectors, you're much more likely to have paths that exceed the maximum course length. So we can either change the bang algorithm a bit and guarantee that all courses are < max course length, or we can leave it like it is with the understanding that there may be some courses that are as much as twice the max course length.
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:22 pm |
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Parrothead
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Any bang in the beta with 45 warp path and 30k sectors will have them. What's with the delay's in the beta anyway? Why is this so broken?
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Space Ghost
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
John Pritchett wrote: I'm looking into this a bit, and I'm not sure there's a bug here. The fact is, Bigbang has never guaranteed that there is a course from each sector to each other sector. It guarantees that there is a valid course from Sector 1 to each sector. But if the maximum course length is 20, then it's theoretically possible that sector A is 20 hops from sector 1, and sector B is 20 hops from 1, and that the only way between these two sectors is through 1 so that the length of a course from Sector A to Sector B is actually 40 hops, twice the maximum course length.
The processing involved in doing a hard test for a valid course from any sector to any other sector is just too much. For a 1000 sector game, it's 1 million course plots. For a 30K sector game, it's 900 million plots.
One way to force a maximum course length on all courses would be to force all courses from sector 1 to sector N to be <= MaxCourseLength/2. That way, the longest possible path from any sector to 1 would be MaxCourseLength/2, and the longest possible path would be from Sector A to Sector B through Sector 1 at MaxCourseLength. I would be willing to make that change, but it will constitute a change in universe creation, which is not a trivial thing.
My guess is the reason this is showing up now is because with 30K sectors, you're much more likely to have paths that exceed the maximum course length. So we can either change the bang algorithm a bit and guarantee that all courses are < max course length, or we can leave it like it is with the understanding that there may be some courses that are as much as twice the max course length. as an alternative couldnt you simply limit the setting range based on Universe Sectors. ie if its over X then max course length minimum is Y ? but if its under X then max course lenght is minimum C ????
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John Pritchett
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Re: Beta Server TWGS v2.00
Just to follow up on this, I personally think the solution I propose would work very well and create very reasonable game maps. The only down side I can think of is that existing games saved out as TWA files that are rebanged would result in a different game map than they originally did. You wouldn't be able to duplicate an older game map with the latest version. All the settings would be the same, but the warp structure would be different even if you had the same bang seed. Is that a problem? If it's not a big problem, it's probably better to go ahead and guarantee warp paths are valid between all sector pairs in a game.
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