So if you CAN'T PLOT the course how much fuel did you use? btw bwarp= t-pad in TW lango...

It was a BUG! T-pad did not require plotting a course then. Now it does so now you cannot blind warp to an orphaned sector. It's FIXED.

Your sure you needed fuel on that level 1 planet to get to a area that did not have a way in.

I remember games with black holes. YOu could warp in to them but not out...But the game would set the xport distance to zero sectors to export out.

They made excellent bank planet sectors for those 2 year old games. Load the sector with figs and set the cannons and it was near impossible to invade

I'll have a look at that. Thanks, Sing.

Has anyone with the beta software tried to import a sub zero edit yet? It also must have edits from older versions of TWGS because the beta software won't edit it unless it's rebanged. If you rebang it with the only option that works, the ships/planets are all there, but 2 of the alien races are lost.

If the game is NOT rebanged, and the game is active this is what I get when I log into the game thru a player node and it kicks me back to the main screen:

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W Version 3.11 data detected. Converting to latest data


Converting records... (Original data saved as *.311)

GOLD Alien Records
GOLD Planet Records
Planet Records
User Records ¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦

Edit: Anyone wanting to see what it does when you log in, it's active in the B slot at silverwingstwgs.com port 23

Same bug as with the other TWA.

The new update is up if you want to give it a try. I'm working on a major memory leak that's crashing Ice9, but I went ahead and posted an update with a few minor bug fixes including this one.

If you grabbed the latest update before 10/8/2010 9:30 am central time, grab it again because I had a bad file and just replaced it.

The last upgrade I have is file version 5.0.349.0
is that current ?

Yes, that's the latest one I've posted. Will have another one here soon, probably tonight.

Why did the bang allow warps of more than 45? This is not going to work.

Either we need a longer warp path allowed or Big Bang needs to limit the warp paths better

I'm looking into this a bit, and I'm not sure there's a bug here. The fact is, Bigbang has never guaranteed that there is a course from each sector to each other sector. It guarantees that there is a valid course from Sector 1 to each sector. But if the maximum course length is 20, then it's theoretically possible that sector A is 20 hops from sector 1, and sector B is 20 hops from 1, and that the only way between these two sectors is through 1 so that the length of a course from Sector A to Sector B is actually 40 hops, twice the maximum course length.

The processing involved in doing a hard test for a valid course from any sector to any other sector is just too much. For a 1000 sector game, it's 1 million course plots. For a 30K sector game, it's 900 million plots.

One way to force a maximum course length on all courses would be to force all courses from sector 1 to sector N to be <= MaxCourseLength/2. That way, the longest possible path from any sector to 1 would be MaxCourseLength/2, and the longest possible path would be from Sector A to Sector B through Sector 1 at MaxCourseLength. I would be willing to make that change, but it will constitute a change in universe creation, which is not a trivial thing.

My guess is the reason this is showing up now is because with 30K sectors, you're much more likely to have paths that exceed the maximum course length. So we can either change the bang algorithm a bit and guarantee that all courses are < max course length, or we can leave it like it is with the understanding that there may be some courses that are as much as twice the max course length.

Any bang in the beta with 45 warp path and 30k sectors will have them. What's with the delay's in the beta anyway? Why is this so broken?

Just to follow up on this, I personally think the solution I propose would work very well and create very reasonable game maps. The only down side I can think of is that existing games saved out as TWA files that are rebanged would result in a different game map than they originally did. You wouldn't be able to duplicate an older game map with the latest version. All the settings would be the same, but the warp structure would be different even if you had the same bang seed. Is that a problem? If it's not a big problem, it's probably better to go ahead and guarantee warp paths are valid between all sector pairs in a game.