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At the current time, even JP can't compile it. You would need a machine with software that hasn't been supported in over 10 years.


JP has been MIA now for 8 years. Hes not coming back that's pretty clear now. the trade wars we have is the last of its kind and dies with us.

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Hammer_2 wrote:
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what's solution to game starts then?

we all log in and stand at terra.. and do "Le Mans" start.. all race when the lady waves the flag? :)

or run v1


Maybe he could consider making source opensource or give it up?

it's never going to make any money - he can keep the IP.

Just maybe get some help fixing some critical issues


+1

He should either open source it, or release the patents (assuming any still exist).

I could rewrite twgs in c# with a modern sockets interface in a reasonably short amount of time. It would take time to work out the bugs, admin interfaces, etc, but the core engine is not complicated.

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Maybe he could consider making source opensource or give it up?

it's never going to make any money - he can keep the IP.

Just maybe get some help fixing some critical issues


+1

He should either open source it, or release the patents (assuming any still exist).

I could rewrite twgs in c# with a modern sockets interface in a reasonably short amount of time. It would take time to work out the bugs, admin interfaces, etc, but the core engine is not complicated.

I am not sure there were never ever any patents. The Intellectual Property (IP) and Copyright laws apply, but most of the game doesn't even fall under those since it is ripping off Star Trek and Star Wars IP you would be more likely to be sued by Viacom/CBS, Paramount or Disney and whoever owns "The Last Starfighter" for Rylos and a dozen other sci-fi franchises.

The actual basic concept of a space trading game isn't even IP since TW2002 is based on Chris Sherrick's TradeWars which was based on Hunt the Wumpus as published in P.C.C.'s Newsletter volume 2, number 2 in November 1972.

So let's write it, we can call it "Merchants of War".

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Star Killer wrote:

Again it was my call to run it on v2 So it WAS my mistake. I apologize to everyone.

sk


1st: No need to apologies, we've had many great tournaments on v2.

2nd:
I think if v2 instability issue is only the login disconnect (which I've 100% seen ni tournaments, just not wide spread). Then we can overcome this pretty easy.

I made the joke about "every lines up and runs to their cars" like in car races.
However, no reason I can't make you a TWGS script where Terra has no exits.
Everyone logs in, gets set up etc.

And opening is the warps being put back.. alternatively just a agreement no one moves till you say "Go".

Maybe put a few more random warp changes in case any dipsticks try to get a early ZTM in. Screw their DBs :)

Anyone see a major issue with that?


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Hammer_2 wrote:

I can confirm we all were online waiting also pounding the join game.

when 12+ people or went ENTER GAME, TWGS probably just shat itself.

Easy one for us to test.


Yes, it definitely has something to do with the auto logins. I was able to log in manually using only Zoc just fine, but couldn't using Mombot.

I kept checking and double checking that I didn't "fat finger" something, restarted my computer, started a new bdase. It was frustrating, but it seems to have affected everyone's start strategy, so we continue on.

Sucks to be Shadow who's main start strategy is to kill everyone before they get to SD or something, but we already knew that and had made the necessary precautions.

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How would it work for the start to let everyone log in casually in the hour before with 0 turns. Then on the hour everybody gets their turns and off you go.


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Sucks to be Shadow who's main start strategy is to kill everyone before they get to SD or something, but we already knew that and had made the necessary precautions.


Yes, it's all because of my strategy, and you had the perfect answer to my strategy (which you didn't know and didn't see) and would have been fine. lol

If the server hadn't failed you would have been dead.

Also, I am not sure why you and others keep referring to Shadow or Shadow's strategy. I am a member of a team, a team that came up with and tested our strategies. A team that includes Rider, Lonestar, and others. Everyone on the team put in many hours building out and testing our game plans.

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Shadow wrote:
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Sucks to be Shadow who's main start strategy is to kill everyone before they get to SD or something, but we already knew that and had made the necessary precautions.


Yes, it's all because of my strategy, and you had the perfect answer to my strategy (which you didn't know and didn't see) and would have been fine. lol

If the server hadn't failed you would have been dead.

Also, I am not sure why you and others keep referring to Shadow or Shadow's strategy. I am a member of a team, a team that came up with and tested our strategies. A team that includes Rider, Lonestar, and others. Everyone on the team put in many hours building out and testing our game plans.


Because you are the most vocal member of your team... others like rider do talk... but no one is as loud as you :)

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Star Killer wrote:


Because you are the most vocal member of your team... others like rider do talk... but no one is as loud as you :)

sk


Corp 3 now officially hELLCAT's team if fed is anything to go.

And our's is probably YMind ()ver Matter if fed chat is also anything to go by :)

MOMBot is pretty appropriate team name too.


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Hammer_2 wrote:
Star Killer wrote:

Again it was my call to run it on v2 So it WAS my mistake. I apologize to everyone.

sk


1st: No need to apologies, we've had many great tournaments on v2.

2nd:
I think if v2 instability issue is only the login disconnect (which I've 100% seen ni tournaments, just not wide spread). Then we can overcome this pretty easy.

I made the joke about "every lines up and runs to their cars" like in car races.
However, no reason I can't make you a TWGS script where Terra has no exits.
Everyone logs in, gets set up etc.

And opening is the warps being put back.. alternatively just a agreement no one moves till you say "Go".

Maybe put a few more random warp changes in case any dipsticks try to get a early ZTM in. Screw their DBs :)

Anyone see a major issue with that?


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How would it work for the start to let everyone log in casually in the hour before with 0 turns. Then on the hour everybody gets their turns and off you go.


I do not see a problem with either idea, other than the need to write/run a server side script. The players would also need new startup scripts that are waiting for the "Flag" to drop.

Another option would be a truce for a period of time at the beginning of the game, eliminating the need for scripts that are pounding the door down.

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Hammer_2 wrote:
Star Killer wrote:

Again it was my call to run it on v2 So it WAS my mistake. I apologize to everyone.

sk


1st: No need to apologies, we've had many great tournaments on v2.

2nd:
I think if v2 instability issue is only the login disconnect (which I've 100% seen ni tournaments, just not wide spread). Then we can overcome this pretty easy.


I made the joke about "every lines up and runs to their cars" like in car races.
However, no reason I can't make you a TWGS script where Terra has no exits.
Everyone logs in, gets set up etc.

And opening is the warps being put back.. alternatively just a agreement no one moves till you say "Go".

Maybe put a few more random warp changes in case any dipsticks try to get a early ZTM in. Screw their DBs :)

Anyone see a major issue with that?


Deign wrote:
How would it work for the start to let everyone log in casually in the hour before with 0 turns. Then on the hour everybody gets their turns and off you go.


I do not see a problem with either idea, other than the need to write/run a server side script. The players would also need new startup scripts that are waiting for the "Flag" to drop.

Another option would be a truce for a period of time at the beginning of the game, eliminating the need for scripts that are pounding the door down.


neither will work.. The truce will not work since there is no way to enforce it. and if I set the game to 1 turn(zero is unlimited it tedit) then reset it to the normal daily turns after everyone is in, say its 2,000 turns everyone would only get 83 turns at the top of the hour. I could do it with a script but some players would get turns a few seconds b4 others and we know that could make all the difference.

Hammers suggestion of removing all off the warps out of Terra is the viable option. putting them back would only take a second.


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I like how you have designated this a v2 bug with no proof, no testing, and no evidence to support it.
You people should work for the phone or cable companies.

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I like how you have designated this a v2 bug with no proof, no testing, and no evidence to support it.
You people should work for the phone or cable companies.




Because Micro has seen it b4. but dont worry. once the tourney is over we are going to attempt recreate it... on the server. but I have to wait until the game is over. You don't believe me but I want to know what happened as bad as you do.

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Yeah, ok. I have been going thru tourney after tourney forum.
You see everyone screaming about this in any of them?(i was in several)
What specific game would Micro be referring to?

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If the server hadn't failed you would have been dead.



We'll never know now will we?

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