elite vs noob, no scripts = elite wins
elite vs noob, both using scripts = elite wins
elite vs noob, only noob has scripts = low turns: elite wins, unlimited: noob wins

That last line is one of the primary reasons I do not play unlimiteds -- the difference between elite and newb is, to a large degree, determined by who can run the fastest scripts for the longest period of time. Granted, if both sides are equally armed, then some distinction can be made about who is the better player.

quote:Originally posted by Rofellos

I think the whole "God" reference comes fom the fact that you state "facts" and often, when corrected, tell the correcter they are wrong i.e. offensive figs. I mean...when you tell Kempere3 he is just dead WRONG, you obviously think you are very knowledgeable.


You know what, you need to go back to the strings on the offensive fighters. You will find I never told Kemper3 (Harley) that he was wrong about fighter action. I told another user they were wrong, and that's not how it worked for me, because he was presenting the formula wrong.

Harley didn't notice that he was presenting the formula wrong, and defended him.

To which I replied, "well it shouldn't work that way, it should work this and that way."

Furthermore, Harley is not infallible, neither even are the Game Docs. I've found things wrong before. If you write JP and ask him, I wasn't saying that the formula was wrong, or even that Harley or anyone else was wrong. I actually wrote JP and told him there was something wrong in the game and the offensive figs were not behaving as they should.

Something like this could easily happen. (The fighters not acting right). I've caught similar things in the past.

Bottom line, don't tell me that I corrected Harley because you can't fine a single post like that here!

Just curious, and i have no java programming knowledge but didn't eer wasn't there a few websites that had tradewars games that could only be accessed through some java applet? I can't really remember the whole setup.

So if that was the only way to play on a server wouldn't that kinda "level the field?"

I remember playing trade wars by hand way back in the BBS days and ya it was fun but all the keystrokes got mundane and very old really quick (couple days) So I really dunno why anyone who would want to play the game seriously subject themselves to abusing there poor keyboard that much.

It used to be "fun" I guess. The people that made helpers or used them good ole clients like....qmodem telix and Darn there was quite a few back then...anyways that was the start now we have some serious kickass stuff that over the years brought this game to a whole new level, and has some people going "WTF over". So now it's all about power power power. hehe and hmmm if ya think about it, it matches whats actually going on in the RW sorta.<---just my brain please don't comment on that...

Lately when i've been playing some odd tw game I've thought about this post and a few others reliving the progression this game has taken over the years, it's still good of course, but it has evolved quite a bit and as such so should the players and with that *cough* ya gotta catch up or get beat the hell down

damnit i was gonna end this dumbass babble but something else popped in my head..

Even using a helper client script macro or WTF ever ya call anything to speedup the progress of your character in the game, you still need to know the game, know how to work the text, know that by doing a plus b you should get c. That takes time not money.

fuggit i'm done.
Take care and be safe and all that other crap.

Z
EDIT: OH ya and I know my punctuation sucks beyond belief so if anyone feels like showing me what it should look like I'd appreciate it.
MOD: hmm only about 2 sentences fit the original topic think ill cross post
now i'm done
Z

quote:Originally posted by Cherokee-TLTT


elite vs noob, only noob has scripts = unlimited: noob wins


That is true because the elite would prefer not to play a game by hand 24/7.

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector



Ok, first let me help you out. When you question my thinking with absolutely NO knowledge then it irritates me.

Only someone with a true "God" complex would assume that just because someone disagrees with them they have "no knowledge." You've convinced me, your accusations are definately transference. Classic transference.

quote:
If you had simply read my post you would understand that the sysop WATCHED MY NODE WHILE I WAS PLAYING!!!! Get it now?


I read all of your posts. I read the entire string before I responded. You are stereotyping in almost every post, stating emphatically that a system where the GameOp plays his own game is a "cheating" system. I've read and reread your posts! I still see you saying that! You can backpedal all you want, but others can read too!

quote:Originally posted by me

quote:
Are you suggesting that just because a Gameop plays on his own system, he's a cheater?
quote:Your response:

quote:
No, my logic said he watched my node therefore HE cheats.

No, that is why you complained initially, but then you continually made reference to sysops playing their games as "cheating." Here's one such reference from an earlier post.

quote:Posted By Bone Collector

You must have two personalities..."I decided not to play on my server, but the reason I played on my server was because I knew I could keep it helper free". Make up your mind...are you admitting to playing or are you still living that idiotic lie?

In the above quote you clearly speak as though a sysop playing on his server is some sort of "crime" for which you can either "confess or deny."



quote:Originally posted by me

quote:
You're original statement was "I won't play on a system where the sysop plays his own game." Thus, more than implying that all Sysops do this when they play their own system.

quote:You're response:

quote:
Perhaps a lesson in reading comprehension is due. I never said any such thing. Re-read and I think you owe me an apology.

Here is a direct quote from post number one of this string:

quote:Posted by Bone Collector


so bottom line is that sysop
a. Plays in his own games as you will soon see.
b. Uses tedit during a game
c. Lies about playing in his game (see post in game bangs)
d. Has ship delay turned on (gay)
e. Threatens to ban people over unannounced rules.

AS we can clearly read from your own bottom line. You've presented a list of reasons why you shouldn't play at this persons system. Item a on the list says "Plays his own game." It doesn't say "Plays his own game and uses, watches your node, then uses that information to effect the outcome of the game."

If item "a" said all you claim it says, then I would not have had a question with your objection. In fact, if you had presented any factual information proving that this sysop monitored your node then used the information to come kill you in the game or take your planets or whatever, then, you would have had a case of proof that the sysop indeed does not only play his own games but cheats at them. You never presented any such facts, but instead focused on a Sysop who watched you play using the local, then, used that information to ban you from the server.

In such a scenario, "sysop watched my node, then banned me for a stupid rule that he didn't post" you have a semi valid complaint, however the fact that he plays the game is irrelevant. Yet you post it as item "a" first on your list as to why I shouldn't play there.

Look, I can read, and I'm a published author, and I'm telling you right now, and all can see it, that you clearly more than insinuate that a sysop who plays his own game and monitors the nodes, is a cheater. That's just a silly, childish stereotype. Interestingly enough, thieves have a tendency to think everyone is going to steal from them, cheats have a tendency to think everyone is going to cheat them, etc. You clearly believe that a Sysop who plays a game, and yet still monitors nodes, has tedit (in other words all the Sysop access), that he is going to cheat. I can tell you with an emphatic statement that you are absolutely wrong. There are MYRIAD of sysops who have the character and the moral fiber to play their own games, and to monitor nodes, and to use tedit, and NEVER CHEAT!

You are just simply wrong about this, and furthermore, it is YOU who have the God complex not I. You it is, who are attacking me just for telling you that you are wrong. I not only have PLENTY of knowledge to back me up, I've got tons of experience as a sysop! I was running a Twars BBS as far back as 1992! I personally know 5 people who also ran Tradewars BBS. I was a silent partner of sorts at the old Twars.com site (infinity). I know for a fact that Cyberweasal (the sysop there) had to quit playing his own games, because of people like you who accused him of being a cheater, even though the man never killed a single player, and never took a single planet from anyone! Not in the entire time I knew him. Your sad little su****ious mind is indicative of why society is in a break down. You, sir, are a false accuser, and furthermore, you have the audacity of accusing me of making false accusations against a sysop, and why do you say this? Because I later said, "ok well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

What is ironic about this, is, in my post you reference where I supposedly accuse someone of cheating I never posted the SYSOP name, nor the Site information! I simply wanted to discuss the events and see if others felt that something odd was going on.

That's not a false accusation my friend. It's only an accusation when you point fingers, and if I did not identify the sysop, or the site, to whom was my finger pointing?

You have the NERVE, the UNMITIGATED GALL to call me an "idiot?"
You only say this because GYPSY said it. You don't have an original thought in your puny little brain. You are a Butt sniffing little cronie!

You can't even compete in the same league with me in the forums arena because you simply can't think for yourself and you are a stupid little man who makes prejudgments, stereotypes people, and makes sweeping statements of logic based on NO APPARENT PREMISE whatsoever!

Ya, and your "Democrat" comment really got me. Look I've seen enough speaches by George Bush to tell the man is not exactly a "mental giant." If that is the best Republican party can do, then, well, good luck. I live in Florida and I can assure you, his brother, the Governor is not the brightes candle in the window either!


quote:Originally Posted by Bone Collector


No, I meant to PPT I can use a macro the same way. The only difference is that I dont have to go through the monotony of finding the pairs myself. My widely available worldtrade script does it for me.

Why don't you say what you mean then? That's the trouble with most of the battles that I get into here. The poster doesn't know how to effectively communicate what they are trying to say, they make idiotic statements, and then when I take their statements at face value, they call me an idiot for taking it that way, when in fact, if I appear to be an idiot in their eyes, it's because they have said something in an idiotic way, and then blame me when I respond to what they said and not what they "meant." I'm not a mind reader, sir.
quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector


Actually he was accused of cheating because he was, uh, cheating. Spying on a node in which you are a participant is cheating. Questions?

You offered no evidence of his cheating. Playing in a game and monitoring the nodes in that game is not cheating! Using the information that you learn from monitoring them to gain an advantage in the game is cheating! Do YOU get it now?

quote:
The other point of the original post was to say that it's ludicrous to have a game that is "no scripts allowed." You are certainly entitled to that opinion, of course, yet in the context of that argument, the argument was posed that if scripts should be banned in a game, then so should Macros.

Again, another sweeping generalization that you simply cannot back up with any facts at all! You base your opinion on what? Experience? Have you TRIED to police a system and keep people from using scripts? You say it's ludicrous, not because you know for a fact that it can't be done, but because you disagree with the rule! Your logic, or should I say, lack thereof is astounding!

quote:
I never said that. I said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to police script use 24/7. So you are in game and you can play while sysop is sleeping and I cant...do you think you have gained an advantage? Why even try to make a rule you cant enforce. The sysop only did it because he either is too lazy to learn twx or because he cant afford it. Either way, I wont be there to find out.

Now, finally a lucid thought from the infamous Bone Collector... sort of. Let me try to respond to this. You say it's IMPOSSIBLE, and you base this on what, your own attempts to do so, or the attempts of others to do so? Your sleeping argument seems valid. Yet, if I am a sysop, is there not some way I could come up with to get around this?
I believe I could come up with a way! Simply put, anyone who says "it's impossible" to do anything is simply and straightly put what we call a "naysayer." I personally don't like naysayers! The Wright Brothers, Edison, even Einstein himself were vexed with people like you their entire lives. All the great thinkers, leaders, spiritual and otherwise have had to contend with the "it's impossible" crowd. I can assure you with some conviction, unless you are talking about violating some basic physical scientific law, the term "impossible" is nothing more than the last desperate cry of the ignorant. It shows a complete lack of Spacial thinking whatsoever!

It's possible, but again, with your GOD complex, you have the audacity to say it's impossible simply because YOU can't think of a way. What a limited, petty little mind you possess! The fact that you are any good at this game, it is safe to say, is limited to your use of scripts and other softwares to do the thinking for you, because I can see you have very little power in that arena.

quote:
I never claimed to be a god, only better and more knowledgeable than YOU.

Again, your accusations of me claiming to be a "God," are what expose you, sir. As far as you being better and more knowledgeable than me, again a sweeping generalization. In fact, it was actually an incomplete sentence (you must be taking communication lessons from your hero George Bush). You are "better and more knowledgeable" than me at what? Everything? I seriously doubt that. Your lack of specification as to what you are more knowledgeable in, leaves me no choice but to infer you think you are better and more knowledgeable than I in EVERYTHING! Thus, again, your "God complex" shines through loud and clear.

quote:
I understand this, but you are obviously not up on the rules of putting yourself out there publicly.


What rules? Your rules? Oh, forgive me for tresspassing on the great commandments of the God who is Bone Collector! Man, you are quite possibly in need of therapy.

quote:
As for the last part of that post it is very obvious that you do indeed like to be corrected as it happens very frequently on here. (sorry I couldnt resist)



You contradict yourself sir, for earlier in this post you say that my arguments reflect a personality of someone who hates to be proved wrong. Yet, you couldn't be more mistaken. I love to be "proved" wrong, what I hate is for a person with your lack of communication skills or any semblance of logical spacial thinking, telling me I'm wrong, without backing up their conclusions with solid, indesputable facts! I hate pompous arrogant asses who say I'm wrong, but offer absolutely no valid arguments to prove it other than "I'm more knowledgeable than you and I'm better than you so you are wrong!"

I'm going to use this same post to respond to Slim Shady's comments. "Bone collector came prepared..." Hah! Bone Collector lives in his own little world. If you actually read the links he provides to my posts, and read the entire threads you will see that his conclusions he draws concerning my posts are as illogical as the sweeping conlcusions he has made in these posts!

Bone Collector even went so far as to include a link where I was lightheartedly joking about someone's grammar, and make it sound like I was belittling the person!

Listen, when someone corrects my grammar, or my typing skills, or my spelling, I do not feel "belittled" especially if they do it in a light hearted manner. My ego is not that fragile!

One thing I've learned in life, people with "God" complexes do not have large inflated egos, they've got puny little, crush with a feather egos. They are the ones who feel "belittled" when someone points out anything of a "critical" nature. How dare anyone question their opinions? How dare anyone question them?

Heh, this whole thread has given me no end of entertainment. I hope Bone Collector responds to this, because I'm in the mood for another round! My father used to tell me that I should not "get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man." Well, my father never saw how entertaining that can be.

Bone, if only you could come up with a script program that posted in the forums for you, then you'd be just as impressive in the forums as you are in the game!

Bottom line!

ROFL hey you 2 lets all get together and have some coffee, we seem to be up and kickin at the same time heheh

Z

quote:Originally posted by arucard

quote:Originally posted by Cherokee-TLTT


elite vs noob, only noob has scripts = unlimited: noob wins


That is true because the elite would prefer not to play a game by hand 24/7.


It's mostly true because the noob would have vastly more resources than the elite player within a matter of minutes. Scripts are just so much faster than even the fastest human player. At my best, using no helper, script, or macro, just pressing all the keys myself, I think I could run 3 accounts and sdt for maybe 10 million credits an hour. How much can an automated SDT or WSSM make in that amount of time? 300 million? At the end of that intensive hour of thinking and typing, I'd be exhausted. The noob would keep on churning out the cash indefinitely, and I'd soon be squeezed out of the game.

quote:
Only someone with a true "God" complex would assume that just because someone disagrees with them they have "no knowledge." You've convinced me, your accusations are definately transference. Classic transference.


I didnt assume. I simply stated a fact that your idiotic rantings cannot get around so you try to BORE people to death by typing long, drawn out sentences. Bottom line is that you HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of the situation which is VERY apparent by your posts.


quote:
I read all of your posts. I read the entire string before I responded. You are stereotyping in almost every post, stating emphatically that a system where the GameOp plays his own game is a "cheating" system. I've read and reread your posts! I still see you saying that! You can backpedal all you want, but others can read too!

Sorry, wrong again. Dont make arguments that you cant back up with facts. Show me where I ever said that all sysops who play on their own system cheat. I simply said THIS sysop cheated which he did.

quote:
No, that is why you complained initially, but then you continually made reference to sysops playing their games as "cheating." Here's one such reference from an earlier post.


First off let me apologize to whichever sysop I accused of cheating simply because they play on their own system. While we are at it please show me WHO I pointed my finger at besides THIS sysop. Better yet, to help refresh your memory let me quote from your rant again..."That's not a false accusation my friend. It's only an accusation when you point fingers, and if I did not identify the sysop, or the site, to whom was my finger pointing?" You see, the problem with people like you is that you really THINK you are smarter than you are, yet your big old ego gets in the way of your own arguments. In one sentence you say that I accused sysops of cheating, but in the next you say that it is not accusing if I dont list names...hmmm...getting too complicated for you. Moron.

quote:Posted By Bone Collector

You must have two personalities..."I decided not to play on my server, but the reason I played on my server was because I knew I could keep it helper free". Make up your mind...are you admitting to playing or are you still living that idiotic lie?

In the above quote you clearly speak as though a sysop playing on his server is some sort of "crime" for which you can either "confess or deny."

Perhaps a reread is in order. The crime in the above quote was that he lied about playing on his own server. Idiot.

quote:AS we can clearly read from your own bottom line. You've presented a list of reasons why you shouldn't play at this persons system. Item a on the list says "Plays his own game." It doesn't say "Plays his own game and uses, watches your node, then uses that information to effect the outcome of the game."

My bottom line is that the system op cheats. Questions? I never said someone should not play at a certain place because the sysop plays. Most people wont, but that doesnt make it always the only option. I said that THIS sysop cheated and people should beware. If you are too stupid to figure that out then you are a hopeless cause anyway. As for what it says...you say you are a good reader (god complex again), yet you fail to READ the post. You read letter "a" and thought to yourself that I must have meant I got cheated because he plays in his own game. I have news for you! In the place where I come from we actually are taught to read an entire selection and then take out the main idea. I guess in Florida they teach you dems to only read the first sentence. Perhaps that is why Florida dems cant figure out a butterfly ballot?

quote:If item "a" said all you claim it says,

It doesnt. Items b, c, d, etc say the rest. Hence the list. In the future when confronted with a list please read it all before forming uninformed opinions. Moron.

quote:In fact, if you had presented any factual information proving that this sysop monitored your node then used the information to come kill you in the game or take your planets or whatever, then, you would have had a case of proof that the sysop indeed does not only play his own games but cheats at them. You never presented any such facts, but instead focused on a Sysop who watched you play using the local, then, used that information to ban you from the server.

Again your reading skills need work. I presented all of that and everyone on the board got it except for you. Perhaps you think you are above everyone on here (god complex), but your shortcomings are shining through.

quote:
Look, I can read, and I'm a published author, and I'm telling you right now, and all can see it, that you clearly more than insinuate that a sysop who plays his own game and monitors the nodes, is a cheater.

No, silly rabbit, that is a fact. If you are in a game and are watching my node you are gaining information that noone else has access to. If you dont understand that then this argument is over and we can start another thread to discuss the difference between smart (me) and dumb (you).

quote:That's not a false accusation my friend. It's only an accusation when you point fingers, and if I did not identify the sysop, or the site, to whom was my finger pointing?

See above. Moron.

quote:You have the NERVE, the UNMITIGATED GALL to call me an "idiot?"
You only say this because GYPSY said it. You don't have an original thought in your puny little brain. You are a Butt sniffing little cronie!

I apologize for the idiot comment. In the future I will use dimwit, jackass, jerk, kook, ignoramus, imbecile, nincompoop, or nitwit. Here is an even better one: MENTAL MIDGET.

quote:Ya, and your "Democrat" comment really got me. Look I've seen enough speaches by George Bush to tell the man is not exactly a "mental giant." If that is the best Republican party can do, then, well, good luck. I live in Florida and I can assure you, his brother, the Governor is not the brightes candle in the window either!

The democrat (notice the no caps as they arent worthy) comment was only to prove my opinion that you are a mental midget. You guys never take responsibility for your actions. You always expect the government to take care of you. The mere fact that you live in Florida AND are a dem only reinforces my original thoughts. If you guys need help punching out the right chad, let me know. As for Bush being dumb, lets start us a political forum to discuss that and I will make you look even more like an idiot than you already do.

quote:Why don't you say what you mean then? That's the trouble with most of the battles that I get into here.

Actually when I say what I mean (See sysop cheats on this board) you still dont "get" it. Moron. Perhaps I need to find a better way to communicate with the grammatically challenged.

quote:You offered no evidence of his cheating. Playing in a game and monitoring the nodes in that game is not cheating! Using the information that you learn from monitoring them to gain an advantage in the game is cheating! Do YOU get it now?

Yes, I get it. What you are saying is that you dont understand that the information you gain from spying on a node is cheating whether you use it or not. I get it now.

quote:Again, another sweeping generalization that you simply cannot back up with any facts at all! You base your opinion on what? Experience? Have you TRIED to police a system and keep people from using scripts? You say it's ludicrous, not because you know for a fact that it can't be done, but because you disagree with the rule! Your logic, or should I say, lack thereof is astounding!

Actually I am trying now...no, wait. I am not WATCHING EVERY NODE AT THE SAME TIME SO I GUESS I AM NOT TRYING. Why do I get involved in these types of discussions. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, mental midget. You cannot police an entire system at ALL times in the present format. Geez, I can tell logic is not your strong point.


quote:
I never claimed to be a god, only better and more knowledgeable than YOU.

quote:Again, your accusations of me claiming to be a "God," are what expose you, sir. As far as you being better and more knowledgeable than me, again a sweeping generalization. In fact, it was actually an incomplete sentence (you must be taking communication lessons from your hero George Bush). You are "better and more knowledgeable" than me at what? Everything? I seriously doubt that. Your lack of specification as to what you are more knowledgeable in, leaves me no choice but to infer you think you are better and more knowledgeable than I in EVERYTHING! Thus, again, your "God complex" shines through loud and clear.

LMAO! I am better and more knowledgeable than you at Tradewars. Is that simple enough? How about basketball? Perhaps paintball? What about anything that pertains to athletics? How about poker? I dunno, you probably have me in things like sewing, knitting, giving long drawn out responses trying to confuse your audience so that they will not think you are as dumb as you are, singing, making excuses, history of the opera, fingernail painting, and ballet, but at tradewars your "knowledge" and "logic" is definitely lacking.

quote:
What rules? Your rules?

The rule that you are responsible for what you say. The rule that you cannot get upset with people who point out that you are a mental midget when you post idiotic things.

quote:
You contradict yourself sir, for earlier in this post you say that my arguments reflect a personality of someone who hates to be proved wrong. Yet, you couldn't be more mistaken. I love to be "proved" wrong, what I hate is for a person with your lack of communication skills or any semblance of logical spacial thinking, telling me I'm wrong, without backing up their conclusions with solid, indesputable facts! I hate pompous arrogant asses who say I'm wrong, but offer absolutely no valid arguments to prove it other than "I'm more knowledgeable than you and I'm better than you so you are wrong!"

I know you know how to read, but perhaps a published author such as yourself should hire a better editor. I am not sure, but I think you are speaking another language here as your sentence seems to run on and on and on and on. BTW, "indesputable" is spelled indisputable.

quote:Bone Collector even went so far as to include a link where I was lightheartedly joking about someone's grammar, and make it sound like I was belittling the person!

It is rather amusing how you think it is fair that people understand your "lighthearted" attempts at joking while you dismiss sarcasm and joking from others.

quote:My father used to tell me that I should not "get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man." Well, my father never saw how entertaining that can be.

Raising you probably made him an expert on this subject.

laffs again...








LokI is powering up weapons systems!

quote:Originally Posted by Bone Collector

I didnt assume. I simply stated a fact that your idiotic rantings cannot get around so you try to BORE people to death by typing long, drawn out sentences. Bottom line is that you HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of the situation which is VERY apparent by your posts.


For future reference, my finely illiterate and inarticulate friend, "the bottom line" is supposed to be reserved for the END of the document. Thus the phrase "bottom" and "line," not in the TOP of the post. When you say "bottom line" at the beginning of your message, you are basically telling us that is all you have to say. The rest of what you say, then is empty words with no meaning, for they come after the "bottom line."

I can see I'm going to have to break this down, and show you your own statements, and explain in itty bitty language what you were saying, and "attempt" to surmise what you actually meant. This is a daunting task, but one I feel confindent I can accomplish.

quote:Originally Posted By Bone Cruncher

Sorry, wrong again. Dont make arguments that you cant back up with facts. Show me where I ever said that all sysops who play on their own system cheat. I simply said THIS sysop cheated which he did.


I already did that! Ok, I'll do it again, only this time I'll excerpt every one of your posts.

Post number ONE:
quote:
bottom line is that sysop
a. Plays in his own games as you will soon see.
b. Uses tedit during a game
c. Lies about playing in his game (see post in game bangs)
d. Has ship delay turned on (gay)
e. Threatens to ban people over unannounced rules.

Now,here's where your lack of communication begins to come clear, and it's yet the first message in a string of nonsensical arguments. Let's clear something up first. This is not a list "proofs" of the sysop cheating at this system (as you represented it to be in your last post), this is in fact a "you shouldn't play here because" list. Therefore, in the context of my previous post, (whether playing on a system and monitoring nodes as a sysop counts as cheating) item "a" is the ONLY item on the list that was pertanent to my message I was posting. Hence, I only quoted item "a." You tried to impeach my message and my intelligence by saying "you don't read the first line and then draw your conclusions." That was an extremely weak and puny little "cheap shot," and while I'm certain that the "dead heads" to which you are obviously catering in your message might not recognize it as thus, it is nevertheless true, and I'm certain that those who are educated among the readers here will see it as so.

Anyway, because you took this cheap shot, I am forced to answer every single point you make in every single post in this string. That way you can no longer accuse me of reading one line and basing an opinion. The disinterested reader will no doubt click off on this message at this point, because it is going to get very lengthy. Yet, perhaps they might want to read it, and then take a tour into the collosal garbage heap that constitutes the rantings of Bone Collector, who cannot focus on one subject in his posts, but flies around willy nilly taking liberties, insulting the intelligence of his readers, and who is unable to complete a sentence. His posts are a hodge podge collection of drivel. So here we go.

Item "a" states clearly that I shouldn't play at this system for no other reason than that the sysop plays. I read the entire post hoping to find that you had some sort of evidence that the sysop "cheated" in the game, but you did not. Your only complaint was that he saw you using a helper and threatened to ban you if you use it again. He never attacked your ship, or went into your sector and took your resources, none of the standard things that would prove to us all that not only does this sysop play on his system and monitor nodes, but that he uses that information to gain advantage in the game.

Item "b." "USES TEDIT DURING A GAME."

Now, I'm still scratching my head on this one. First you make the unsubstantiated claim that "Jeff" and the "Sysop" are the same person, (which you never prove) then you use that conclusion to draw another conclusion, that IF Jeff and Sysop are the same, therefore Sysop must be Jeff, and therefore, Jeff is using TEDIT during the game. WOW! What we call that is EXTREME JUMPS IN LOGIC! First you build a premise on an unsubstantiated belief, then you draw a conclusion based on the premise. That is typical "straw man" tactics, and coincidentally, Republicans are NOTORIOUS for this sort of argument. It is deceptive, it is malicious, and it is an insult to the intelligence of everyone who hears it.

You are banking that we are going to take your word that the premise you have built is true. Then you base all kinds of sweeping allegations upon that premise and we, like sheep are supposed to just accept each one, and then, to add insult to injury, if we are smart enough to think for ourselves and we call into question your premise, you try the "Emperors Clothing" tactic which is "only an idiot couldn't see this." Thus your weaker minded readers will then fall into line, and be afraid to question you, because they don't want to look like an "idiot."

Your sad little tactics, however, do not work on those who have minds of their own.

Ok, on to item "c."

"LIES ABOUT PLAYING HIS GAME."

This is an interesting accusation. Your evidence to back it up was extremely weak. You inform us that there was a person, "Jeff" in the game and he complained about you using a helper, and you posed the question, "how did he know I was using one?" Then use that as a springboard to draw the conclusion, "Jeff and the Sysop must be one in the same person."

Let me give you an alternative possibility. Perhaps Jeff was in private communication with the Sysop. This would not be unheard of if he truly was an "Admin" there as he claimed. That would mean that the Sysop could say to Jeff, "This Bone Cruncher guy is using a helper I see from looking at local." Then, Jeff, in turn messages you.

You were attempting to make the case that this "Jeff" person was in fact the Sysop, but you have no real evidence of this, just simple little surmisings based on circumstance. This Jeff called himself an ADMIN over Fed Comm, this to you meant that he and the Sysop were one in the same person. How ridiculous!

Item "d." HAS SHIP DELAY TURNED ON (GAY)

This is the item that proves that your little list is NOT a list of PROOFS of a cheating sysop (as you tried to later assert) but is merely a list of reasons why I shouldn't play there. Which is arrogance in and of itself, for who are you, sir, to presume to tell me or anyone else where we should play.

Yet, your insistence that you have this right (to tell us where to play) is yet another example of the "Clique" mentally so prevalent here at Eisonline. You, and your "elitist" buddies here are like kindergartners, forming little groups and telling others "only talk to so and so," and "only play with so and so." You make me ill in your childishness.

Item "e." THREATENS TO BAN PEOPLE OVER UNANNOUNCED RULES.

Now, this, as I said earlier was your only valid complaint. There is no way you should have been treated the way you were treated for using a helper if there is nothing posted on the system against using helpers. You should have confined your post to that alone, and it would have been enough for me to reconsider ever playing there. Yet, then you launch into this other nonsensical BS, and thus, make me believe your real complaint was that he was banning the use of helpers.


Here is a quote from your second post in the string:

quote:
First off, the helper I was using was TWX. The advantage gained from using TWX is absolutely none as it is available for free. I was not at keys when the "player" began telling me that helpers werent allowed. If he didnt have any kind of access, how the heck would he have a clue that I was using a helper.

I fail to see the logic of this. If you gain no advantage at all in using it why would you bother using it? Furthermore, because an helper is FREE is not a valid reason for saying it gives you no advantage. Especially on a server that does not allow HELPERS! It gives you a distinct advantage over the players who abide by the rules of the system.

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

Show me where I ever said that all sysops who play on their own system cheat.

I showed you already. I'll show you some more.

quote:Originally posted by Bone Cruncher in his third posting

THE REASON TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS SERVER IS BECAUSE YOU PLAY ON IT AND USE TEDIT TO TRY TO ENFORCE YOUR STUPID RULES.


Here's an instance where your argument is all over the place. You have maintained that this sysop plays and uses TEDIT to gain advantage, and that is cheating. Yet, your main complaint here is that he uses TEDIT to enforce his system rules. If that is cheating then every Sysop out there is guilty of cheating on their system. Oh, wait, I'm forgetting the main crux of the point you make. He doesn't just use TEDIT to enforce his rules, he also PLAYS. You are clearly stating in concise language that a sysop who PLAYS and then uses TEDIT to enforce his rules, is going to CHEAT, by using the info he gathers from the local display to his advantage. In fact, you make that very same argument in your final post.

quote:
No, silly rabbit, that is a fact. If you are in a game and are watching my node you are gaining information that noone else has access to. If you dont understand that then this argument is over and we can start another thread to discuss the difference between smart (me) and dumb (you).[/qoute]

ONLY if I use that information to my advantage in the game! Did the sysop do this? You have offered no proof of any such infraction. NONE!
I'm amazed because, in one sentence in this post you say "show me where I said all sysops who play on their system cheat," then in the VERY SAME POST you make a clear statement to that effect.


quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

Again your reading skills need work. I presented all of that and everyone on the board got it except for you.

Here your "God" complex shows through yet again. You presume to speak for EVERYONE on the board! You seem to think you are in the minds of every person here, and have a full knowledge of what they did or didn't get! Amazing!

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector
In the future I will use dimwit, jackass, jerk, kook, ignoramus, imbecile, nincompoop, or nitwit. Here is an even better one: MENTAL MIDGET.

The last resort of the ignorant. When you can't effectively argue with lucid, logical statements, you resort to petty name calling. You are truly pathetic, and also, even in your list of names you demonstrate your lack of original thinking by calling me a "mental midget," which is the antonym for "Mental Giant" which is a phrase that I used in my last post. So you've merely STOLEN the colloquialism and reversed it. That's akin to "I know you are but what am I?"

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector
I am not sure, but I think you are speaking another language here as your sentence seems to run on and on and on and on. BTW, "indesputable" is spelled indisputable...

Now, here goes that transference I was telling you about. In an earlier post you accused me of having a "God" complex because I lightheartedly poked fun at someone's spelling. Now, here you are, a post later, doing the EXACT same thing to me, only, you aren't doing it in a light hearted fashion, but in a malicious way. Innnnnteresssting!

Indeed, you are correct I mispelled the word "indisputable". I suppose you think that makes some sort of point as to my intelligence. It was a TYPO actually, but I can't prove that. I also guess you think you've impeached my claim of being a published author? You can't mispell words if you are a published author? Hmm, if that were the case authors wouldn't NEED editors at all! For you see, I'm capable of human error, and that does not call into question my intelligence. Your attack upon me for making that error, however, does call into question YOUR intelligence! Only a complete and total ignoramous would think that your point was somehow well made by scrutinizing my spelling errors. I'm certain I could go through your posts and do the same and more, in fact I could tear you apart! You accused me of writing "run on" sentences, yet, you can't even seem to properly execute an entire sentence. That is amuzing. Do you even know what a run on sentence is? I doubt it.

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector
It is rather amusing how you think it is fair that people understand your "lighthearted" attempts at joking while you dismiss sarcasm and joking from others.

You cannot find one solid example of me doing what you claim, here or anywhere else. I have a terrific sense of humor, and I know when I'm being poked fun of, and when someone is taking some cheap shot.

quote:quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

My father used to tell me that I should not "get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man." Well, my father never saw how entertaining that can be.

originally posted by Bone Cruncher in response:

Raising you probably made him an expert on this subject.

Now, this was a very witty response! I applaud you for it. I guess you are capable of some independant thought after all. I stand corrected, or do I? Isn't the final resort of the desperate to degrade into personal insults? I think it is!


























item "b" clearly states that I shouldn't play there because Sysop plays in his own games.

In these forums, there are more sysop cheating complaints against people who play on their own server than there are against people who do not play on their own server.

Ok, I am going to do you a favor and sloooooooowwwwwwww way down. Let me try it in a list with NUMBERS so that you understand:
1. Sysop admits playing on his board.
2. Player in game admits to having tedit access and tries to lie his way out of this admission.
3. Sysop admits to being player, then changes mind and tries to lie his way out of this admission.
4. Sysop used tedit to remove assets from me.
5. Ship delay is still gay.
6. You should never leave your house. I would hate to think that you could be out there mating creating more insane human beings.

I apologize that you are too stupid to read someone's post. Your last writing has shown you truly are lacking in the brains department. Instead of debating the FACTS you have tried your best to figure out a way to put words into someone's mouth in order to deflect attention away from your stupidity. Here is another list:
- You have not shown me where i said that all sysops who play on their own board cheat.
- You spend too much time arguing things like the bottom line. Seriuosly, are you ok?
- Letter B in the first post states that the sysop uses tedit during a game...what part of I TOOK AWAY YOUR HOLDS did you not understand?
- Item A states that the sysop plays on his own board...nothing more, nothing less.
- When the sysop makes a statement like this "I have decided earlier that I am not playing on my own server. I am not playing on my own server--but helpers are still not allowed. If you want to use helpers go to another game--one main reason I played on this server was because I knew I could keep it helper-free." even you, in your limited knowledge of the english language, can see he says I AM NOT PLAYING ON MY OWN SERVER and then I PLAYED ON THIS SERVER SO I COULD KEEP IT HELPER FREE. Get it now?
- If a sysop even opens the window to spy on my node he has gained an advantage. If that sysop is playing in the game, he now has an advantage of knowing where I have a fig, which as far as I can tell is NOT something he would know without spying. Get it now?
- Me poking fun at you over your misspelling was actually a lighthearted attempt at pointing out your mistake. So, there is your first example of you not being able to take a joke, while expecting others to take one. If I had wanted to be "mean" I would have pointed out the many other typos you had. Get it now?
- Please DONT leave your house. DONT answer the phone and PLEASE DONT speak to a female EVER.

you guys all realize what bone did right? this supposed "sysop" who "cheated" doesnt even exist. he just made it up, made another account to argue with himself KNOWING others would join in. he just wanted to beat my record for "most posts/reads on an assinine subject" (see post topic: "Loki") and damnit, i think he might win.. im going to start a post about how bone "cheated" on the forums.. heh.
Darn you bone!!! i'll be back, and when i am... the posts will go on for EVER!! (of course "Loki" spawned a couple other topics as well.. do those count in overall? as long as no one from florida is counting i think they do.. heh)

Slim

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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 02:56:25 AM
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1. Sysop admits playing on his board.
2. Player in game admits to having tedit access and tries to lie his way out of this admission.
3. Sysop admits to being player, then changes mind and tries to lie his way out of this admission.
4. Sysop used tedit to remove assets from me.
5. Ship delay is still gay.


1. No problem.
2. Lie -- major issue.
3. No problem until the a person lies and then (1) becomes a problem.
4. Again no problem if I had violated a stated rule, however in this case the rule wasn't stated from what I can tell.
5. Not sure why the "gay" referance, but ship delay just slows the player down and I don't care for it. An arguement could be made that ship delay is more realistic.

I don't know if very many sysops play on their own servers, and I also don't know how anyone would ever know - unless, there was some evidence of TEdit being used to benefit a player/corp. Sometimes, as possibly in this case, the person with TEdit simply messes up and blows his/her own cover and are identified as such.

If a sysop wants to play on his own system, go for it - you are the one paying for TWGS, a computer system and the ISP costs. The problem will be if the users know a sysop is playing - will they trust that the sysop will able to resist using TEdit when the sysop and his/her corp are getting kicked? Could be a very lonely game.

I am guessing, but I think that some "cheating sysops" are actually not sysops at all, but rather very good players that just flat out kicked a newbies butt. The newbie can't figure out how he got thumped so quickly, so therefore someone must be cheating - had to be the sysop. No, I am not inferring that BC is a newbie by any stretch because I know that he isn't.

Now, would I play on the system that has been identified? No, but not because the sysop is playing, but because if a person lies once, then I have to assume that they will do it again. Changing the rules, or not posting the rules, and then enforcing them is the other reason (actually changing/not posting and then enforcing them is the almost same thing).

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Heh I think we all can read. Bone first posted and made some sweeping accusations and some sweeping generalizations, then, post by post has been trying to backpedal.

The BOTTOM LINE is this, I don't see that sysop's statements as lies, more than a change of heart. He at first wasn't going to play his own games, then realized if he was going to police the "no scripting" rule he'd HAVE to play.

That's just how I see it, but I, unlike a lot of people here, try to think the BEST of a person, and I don't just think the worst when I read something.

All I did was tell Bone I didn't see his point, he attacked me, whatever! I still don't agree with him. He's a pompous Butt, trying to tell everyone where to play and where to not play!

Just post what you know, and let people decide for themselves!

No wait, that's the Bottom Line.

Jeff