quote:Originally posted by Psion

quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
As I have read in past posts that scripts are, and will continue to be a part of the game and us script haters will have to stop playing if we don't like it, well SCREW YOU I am not stopping playing because your ball is newer then mine.


Um, SCREW YOU, reread my post. I didn't tell people who share your beliefs to quit, I told you to play on servers that discourage scripting and to quit harassing the rest of us about how evil we are. What are you guys, all Jehovah's Witnesses or something? sheesh.

Maybe you should RE-READ My post or at least quote it with full content. I could pick a part out of yours and blow it out of proportion too!
The following line was:" I will just get a better ball". And keep reading on if you will and you will learn more of what I said.
Oh yeah and if you really read my post and didn't just scan it and you can read in the quote you provided i said IN PAST POSTS. So get a grip and read it right before you jump the gun. And just fpr tyhe record The post doesn't say SCREW you PSION, but you are saying it to me. Hmm Interesting.
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I also asked that you show the same respect that we show you, but I guess that was too much to ask, huh? In honor of your disrespect, I'm coining a new and definately derogatory term for all you script haters out there: "hand-monkeys". Hand-monkeys are whiny, obnoxious TW players who frequently moan that scripts ruin the game. They supposedly play strictly by hand, disdaining the use of all scripts. They're also extremely preachy and degrading towards those who commit the unimaginable sin of *gasp* using a script.
Your post was disrespectful Not mine dude. Where was it disrespectful? RE-READ IT! Not once did I call anyone names as you did: "Crybabies". So before you go off and say someone is disrespectful make sure you are right. So honor yourself with a title of maybe gun jumper or Misreader? IF you had taken the time to read the whole message you would see I am adapting to scripting, as I stated I am trying to learn them and use them as often as I can so I can play at the same level as say Uncle Sam.(I wish LOL) I am also being coached in scripting by some of the best players in the game.


quote:I do not give a Shoot if you are tired about hearing from people that hate scripts? DON'T READ THIER POSTS!!

Oh, and if you don't like what I have to say, then quit reading MY posts. It takes brass balls to post in my thread about what a jerk I am and then to tell me not to read posts I disagree with. Sheesh, fricking hand-monkeys, heh

Oh, and I was right btw. Your post did give me lots of laffs [:P]


Where did I say you were a Jerk ??PLEASE SOMEONE TELL WHERE THAT IS IN MY POST!
Of course it must of made you laff too bad you couldn't read it tho. I never once said I was tired of reading your posts now did I? You add a lot of imagination to what you read. Do not add stuff I didnt type. As far as You tired of reading others post 90% of the time people write a title that tells what thier post is and you read it anyway? So what are you on about? I do not understand how someone of your intelligence could add some much that isn't there.
Maybe I should just post : I______You______Them,: you fill in the rest.

quote:Originally posted by Psion

On a side note, I really didn't intend for this post to become a flame war, but I found Bethel's post to be equally funny and insulting.

Bethel, I hope you see the inherent irony in your response. Isn't real nice to have someone tell you that your way of playing and enjoying TW sucks and is evil, is it? I'm not asking you to change your views or to quit TW. I'm trying to get you all to shut up and quit being so insulting to the rest of us.


You know I do not see where My post is insulting at all. There must be a reason why you feel insulted? Let me know and POST the part you found insulting to you and to script writers, or users?
My point that you have seem to missed is that there are players that use scripts when they are not even at the keyboard to attack and kill. This is not right in my mind.
Oh and read it again I have changed my views on scripts. I AM learning them. Maybe you should read peoples post for what they are not what you want them to be, as I do not want you to make a fool of yourself. And before you answer: NO I did not call you a fool.


Bethel

sigh. Where to start....
quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
Maybe you should RE-READ My post or at least quote it with full content. I could pick a part out of yours and blow it out of proportion too!
The following line was:" I will just get a better ball". And keep reading on if you will and you will learn more of what I said.
Oh yeah and if you really read my post and didn't just scan it and you can read in the quote you provided i said IN PAST POSTS. So get a grip and read it right before you jump the gun. And just fpr tyhe record The post doesn't say SCREW you PSION, but you are saying it to me. Hmm Interesting.

I only quoted the relevant part. Anyone who wanted to see your comments in full could just scroll up. Don't try to pretend I'm censoring you. Sheesh. And no, it doesn't say "SCREW YOU PSION". But it was a direct reply to my post. Who was the "SCREW YOU" supposed to be directed at, huh? Since you were replying to MY post, seems logical that it was directed at me, or if you want to stretch it at "my type" ie scripters. Same difference. If you have a problem with that reasonable interpretation, then you need to be more clear in your communications, not cop an attitude with me.

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Your post was disrespectful Not mine dude. Where was it disrespectful? RE-READ IT! Not once did I call anyone names as you did: "Crybabies". So before you go off and say someone is disrespectful make sure you are right. So honor yourself with a title of maybe gun jumper or Misreader? IF you had taken the time to read the whole message you would see I am adapting to scripting, as I stated I am trying to learn them and use them as often as I can so I can play at the same level as say Uncle Sam.(I wish LOL) I am also being coached in scripting by some of the best players in the game.[quote]
Sigh. Should I accuse you of scanning instead of reading my post? After the rant, I made a couple tongue in cheek comments that I felt pretty sure would convey that I was (a) engaging in hyperbole for the sake of humor and (b) was giving a parody of the usual attitudes of script bashers. I've gotten numerous ICQs from people who complimented me on the good joke. Lighten up and get a sense of humor.
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Where did I say you were a Jerk ??PLEASE SOMEONE TELL WHERE THAT IS IN MY POST!
Of course it must of made you laff too bad you couldn't read it tho. I never once said I was tired of reading your posts now did I? You add a lot of imagination to what you read. Do not add stuff I didnt type. As far as You tired of reading others post 90% of the time people write a title that tells what thier post is and you read it anyway? So what are you on about? I do not understand how someone of your intelligence could add some much that isn't there.
Maybe I should just post : I______You______Them,: you fill in the rest.

OK, now act all wronged. What an Butt. (You can quote me on that one if you want.) Did you come out and specifically say "Psion is a jerk"? No. But your comments were pretty clearly accusatory. Saying that we've ruined the game as you knew it. Saying we depend on scripts to wipe our asses. Degrading our skills. Plus the "SCREW YOU" that was so obviously directed at someone else.

And frankly, if you're hopping on the scripting bandwagon and working on getting that better ball of yours, then why complain about how scripts have ruined the game? Whats that I smell? Hypocrisy? A self proclaimed script hater who is now using scripts and learning to write them? Yup, thats definately hypocrisy I smell. Get a grip.

quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
You know I do not see where My post is insulting at all. There must be a reason why you feel insulted? Let me know and POST the part you found insulting to you and to script writers, or users?


Well, I've already pointed out a few of the parts I found insulting in my previous post, so I'll take this time to once again turn your own accusations against you.

quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
My point that you have seem to missed is that there are players that use scripts when they are not even at the keyboard to attack and kill. This is not right in my mind.

Go back and RE-READ the very first numbered point I made in my original post. Actually since you seem to have problems reading my posts, I'll just quote it for you:

(1) Anyone who runs kill/attack scripts while they are away from the computer is an idiot who deserves what they get. Scripts are dumb, they only do what they're told and can't think rationally. Anyone running a pwarp photon while they're asleep is just begging for their planet to be drained of ore and/or capped.

That is NOT a point I missed, but its apparently one that you did. I LOVE it when players are dumb enough to run kill scripts while they're away from the keyboard. It makes it a snap to kill them and capture their planets. Its not something to whine about, its an opportunity to exploit. Why is it "not right in your mind" to take advantage of some idiot and teach them the error of their ways? Again, get a grip. If I'm guilty of not reading your posts closely enough or reading too much into them, then you're just as guilty (if not more so) than I am.

look the conclusion is that non-scripters learn to script or go somewhere else. as a Sysop and knowing many sysops non of us have the right mind to ban scripts on our server we will lose so many players it's not even funny. ( ok a little funny as long as it isn't happening to me) but like I said get over yourself and learn to script there is no reason for this it's how the game is played.

I'm not a scripter help I'm a really really really really really bad player just ask any that remember stargod or Kid ( really old alais I used) hell my first server I played on was thedeepsouth against ( oh god what was his name used a bunch of chars in it... oh NM) and i got creamed then I learned to use scripts now I can go a full hour before dieing and that makes me happy.

On a side note most all “kill scripts” can be beaten with a simple macro now all you need to do is determine what macro you should use and when the right time to use it is.

Okay I am an Butt as much as you are, nough said.
Your right I did screw up a on the bit about AFK scripters. MY bad.
But I must have read that into your 2nd or was it 3rd post? Anyways....
bottem line I have to agree with you that to keep in the game one has to learn and use scripts no two ways about it. Now you know people are going to side with you cause you are well known and liked and I am a nobody that runs a server.
AND.. the Screw you was the same as "LIKE hell I am", or "NO WAY", so why take such a offense? I am not a writing major, matter of fact I failed english in school,(hated the old bat teacher we had).
Take the chip off your shoulder, and relax and have a beer if your old enough, if not have a soda pop.


Bethel

quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
Okay I am an Butt as much as you are, nough said.
Your right I did screw up a on the bit about AFK scripters. MY bad.
But I must have read that into your 2nd or was it 3rd post? Anyways....
bottem line I have to agree with you that to keep in the game one has to learn and use scripts no two ways about it. Now you know people are going to side with you cause you are well known and liked and I am a nobody that runs a server.

Its agreed then, we're both jerks, hehe If people don't want to play with scripts, they certainly don't have to. Far be it from me to tell people what they can or can't do. They can play on servers with other like minded people and have fun with no scripts. Fine by me. I'm just sick of people complaining about scripts all the time, especially since its almost always coming from people who have very little knowledge about scripts or advanced tactics.
quote: AND.. the Screw you was the same as "LIKE hell I am", or "NO WAY", so why take such a offense? I am not a writing major, matter of fact I failed english in school,(hated the old bat teacher we had).
If you didn't intend that "screw you" to be pointed at me, then I apologize for redirecting it back to you. No harm, no foul.
quote: Take the chip off your shoulder, and relax and have a beer if your old enough, if not have a soda pop.

Heh, I'm definately old enough. But only if you're buying, old timer [;)]

now that's what I like to see after a flame war I really do. Everyone gets along in the end in Tradewars.

<mutters about not being old enough to drink>

Wow, suddenly this is all about credibility? I have to prove my worth to have an opinion about a game? Do you see me asking for your resume so validate your reasons for scripting? Get off your high horse, Psion. Though, in intellectual dishonesty tradition, I did like how you say because Coke is a corpie my arguement is invalid. That takes guts to go down that path of logical fallacies. I'm truly amazed your scripts even function to tell you the truth (probably cause its hard to get a divide by zero error in scripting).

edit: "Why is it OK to use a script to automate repetitive tasks, but not OK to use one for photoning people?"
This is the crux of our disagreement and if you choose to see no difference between these two actions, I am pretty sure we will never come to an understanding.

wow two things a you so just made an Butt of yourself because this arguement ended, two psion is about to have fun with your statment

I’ll give you his resume

Psion a.k.a The Butcher.

One of the founding members of The Foundation, a TradeWars perma corp.

Has been playing TradeWars competitively for the last year maybe longer.

Played in the last TCW game, Genocide, USO, and Dupe Chess

Has yet to CEO a game but we are willing to work with him on it.

Wrote an article that is now posted on The Cabal detailing how ships and pods flee.

Has written a few public scripts that are now posted on the Grimmy Trader.

Is willing to teach or help anyone who asks.

Has proven to be dependable, honest, and a good sport.

Earned the nick name The Butcher when he single handily massacred an entire corporation while they were cashing during a Call to Battle game on Alien Base. (I can’t say who’s corp. or the people involved because the whole case has been filed Top Secret because of the strategies involved)

Has proven beyond a doubt that he can follow any rules a sysop lays down on his server.

So now can I ask you to please post your resume so we all know where you are coming from.

Actually, re-read. I said I didn't ask because if this argument is going to be won or lost on a pissing contest then you guys aren't even seriously engaged in the debate and this thread is 100% troll. =(

It wasn’t an argument to start with he simply stated if you don’t like scripting fine stop whining about it because we don’t whine or cry when you play the whole game by hand.

It’s a live and let live situation. What’s good for one person is not necessarily good for the next.

I get tired of hearing about how us script kiddies have ruined your game. We have not ruined anything it’s the whiners that end up messing it all up for the rest of us. I could make a kill by hand and the next thing I know I’m booted by the sysop because the person I killed in the game whined to sysop and I’m known script user.

The whole point of this thread is not about using scripts its about people whining about people using scripts. It seems to me that these people who don’t use scripts like to whine about people who use scripts more then they acutely play.

I posted the above so you have a little background on the person your trying to attack here. Psion is an intelligent, friendly, loyal, and very helpful TW player.

I want a little background on you I want to know how long have you been playing now, what servers do you frequent, why are so set in proving to us that using scripts is so wrong?

I can care less if you want to play the whole game by hand or just adamantly oppose one kind of script. I chose to be part of the scripting crowd of players I find the game play fun and social aspects more fulfilling then playing by hand but that’s me there are a lot of servers and games out to cater to anyone’s taste or style of game play.

My name is Speed Demon I don’t write scripts but I sure in the hell use them.

quote:Originally posted by Stretch

Wow, suddenly this is all about credibility? I have to prove my worth to have an opinion about a game? Do you see me asking for your resume so validate your reasons for scripting? Get off your high horse, Psion.
wyhteagle was right, I am about to have fun with that post.

Yes, this is absolutely about credibility. Knock off your accusations of intellectual dishonesty and realize the logical fallacies you yourself are committing. If you have a medical question, do you ask your plumber for advice? No, you ask a doctor. Its obvious that only those who have AT LEAST a basic knowledge of current gameplay, script limitations, and advanced tactics (among other things) are really qualified to have an opinion on this topic. Sure you can have your own opinion regardless, but why would anyone care or give any weight to what you say? You're a plumber, not a doctor until you prove otherwise and will be treated as such.

quote:Though, in intellectual dishonesty tradition, I did like how you say because Coke is a corpie my arguement is invalid. That takes guts to go down that path of logical fallacies.

Your argument wasn't invalid because Coke is my corpie, but your attempt to hold him up as some kind of example of the poor, oppressed underclass of non-scripters is. I know him much better than you ever will and understand what he was saying even if you do not. If you want to try and stage some sort of psuedo-proletariat revolution, knock yourself out. But I'm gonna pick on your ridiculous arguments and lack of qualifications at every turn.
quote:I'm truly amazed your scripts even function to tell you the truth (probably cause its hard to get a divide by zero error in scripting).

My scripts run just fine, thank you very much. Yet another logical fallacy I can attribute to you. Did you bother to look at the code of any of them or run them? If you did, then you're disregarding the truth. If you didn't, then you're assuming facts not in evidence and conveniently ignoring the truth in order to make what I'm sure you thought was a very cutting blow, but was in reality the worst sort of arrogant psuedo-intellectual one-upmanship. And yes, I do know what a divide by zero error is, and no my scripts don't have that problem.
quote:edit: "Why is it OK to use a script to automate repetitive tasks, but not OK to use one for photoning people?"
This is the crux of our disagreement and if you choose to see no difference between these two actions, I am pretty sure we will never come to an understanding.

As to the difference between a trading script and a photon script, what mystical difference am I missing? They're both code that does tasks for you automatically. The computer certainly doesn't know or care what its running or why. To it, a script is a script. If you would care to elaborate what you think the difference is, I'll listen. But, IMHO you are seeing what you want to see. I'm thinking that you hopped back into TW after an extended break and got wasted right off by somebody using a script and got all pissy about it. So of course the obvious thing to do was go on a crusade against scripting!

Scripts only "ruin the game" for those who refuse to deal with reality and learn to use them or workaround them. If you're too lazy to relearn how to play TW, maybe you should just go away to some small server where you can play with likeminded people. I don't think theres really any call for you to go about recreating TW how YOU think the game should be played. Cope or move on, but either way quit whining.

Edit: Like Speed Demon said, this thread wasn't started to discuss whether or not scripting is "bad". It was started to tell all the people who think scripting is bad to shut and quit whining. Scripters are tired of being labeled as the big bad guys, responsible for all the ills of the world. If you don't like scripts, then play on servers where scripting is discouraged. Theres no need to bounce around the forums, pissing and moaning about how evil we all are as you go. So do us a favor, and spare us the lectures, huh?