This post on that other forum was brought to my attention today:



This is BigD being opportunistic. A better explanation would be "I wanted JP to ban Helix and he wouldn't do it". That's why he's irritated with me, and the rest of this is just looking for excuses to turn others to his side.

As far as I knew, I had fixed the v1.03 bugs before I moved on. If that's not the case, it's because they did not answer my call for remaining bugs. Even now, I'm asking for details about what v1.03 bugs remain. I'm not getting a lot of detail. But I will fix them as soon as they're reported. There were so many changes under the hood that there's no guarantee that any v1.03 bug carried over to v2. I don't need a blanket list of v1.03 bugs, I need a list of bugs that are still active in v2. Give me that and I'll fix every one of them.

As for the sysop script stuff, I didn't do that blindly. Ask Vid Kid, V'Ger, and T0yman. There were much needed fixes in TEDIT, and I engaged those gameops as very active server-side scripters to make sure I didn't break their scripts. They all agreed that the changes were important enough that I should just move forward with them and they'd adapt. Vid Kid was upset at first, but there was a miscommunication there. I cleared it up with him that I am willing to get his scripts working again, and we've been working on that with the latest version. My promise to Vid was that I'd do whatever it takes, but he's been very generous in compromising, changing his scripts where it's easy to do so, and telling me what I can do to fix them on my end. So ask Vid Kid if he's unhappy about this work.

If there is a single gameop who's unhappy about it, they haven't reported it to me. If you haven't been following along, that's how you get things fixed. Report it and we'll work it out.

As for the public scripts, it is not my intention to break them. It is up to the players to report when they break so I can fix them. But if they'd rather jump on those problems as proof that I'm unresponsive to them and that they should stick with the older version (the one with their bugs intact, btw), there isn't much I can do about that.

I just want everyone to be aware of what's going on here. Take anything Big D says with a grain of salt. Same for some other disgruntled community members. They have their reasons. You should decide for yourself whether I'm living up to my promises with the new version, and hopefully do your best to help me succeed rather than turn your back on me. I am doing this in my spare time and I depend on the community to help me. Without input from you guys, I wouldn't know what bugs need fixing, what features people want, what issues people have, etc. So if you want TW to get better, it's up to you.

If you haven't looked at it, you can see the complete list of bug fixes (a ton of these) and new features for v2 at http://wiki.classictw.com/index.php?tit ... on_History

Oh, a quick followup. One of the problems is that I didn't limit myself to only the bugs they reported to me and wanted fixed. There are two bug lists. One is the list that everyone agrees needs to be fixed. The other is a list of bugs that not everyone knows about that certain players use to their unfair advantage. I've fixed bugs from both lists, and that's one reason why they're rebelling against the new version. They can't give me any other reasons. Just excuses. None of the stated reasons justify these players boycotting this version.

Yea

Correct, it destroyed mine I gladly re-wrote mine and added some options that I did not have in the initial release.

Someone wrote the originals, someone will write new ones. I will fix mine as I go and I have updated several other scripts to help others.

Grain!! Salt Block maybe!
Keep up the good work, there are some of us willing to do some work to keep the game moving.

Some people are, and have always been, jackasses. Most of us know them. Most of us appreciate what you have done and continue to do. Suggest that you ignore the begrudgers.

I will confess to a difficulty understanding why there is an effort to pander to the script kiddies. The original version was not written with them in mind, nor were any subsequent ones until recently. If fixing a bug means that one of their toys gets broken, shrug. It might bring back some of those who left because of the pixies.

I do not buy into the counter argument that I have read in this forum - that it will render the script writers (as opposed to the scripters/script kiddies/twixie pixies) invincible, a new all conquering elite. There were always script writers; we never dominated the game. No more did those who used helpers. Strategy did. TWX has switched the emphasis to tactics and reaction time.

The problem now, is that the TWX database has grossly unbalanced the game; retreads and newbies are "baby seals". I will shed crocodile tears if TWX functionality is destroyed. The pixies themselves have said that there are only 100 of them +/- . Big loss if they all quit?

I don't disagree with what you're saying. The only things I'd add, and it's nothing new, are that a) I've promised to keep this game running the same as that under v1.03 to the best of my ability, and I don't want to break my promise and b) I'm far more motivated to keep server-side scripts running, because the gameops who write them are among the best gameops, and the things they do to innovate and fix flaws in the game, I have nothing but appreciation for that. I don't want to penalize them with unnecessary changes. But it's a balancing act. TEDIT has been neglected for years. I wanted to update it, improve it, and at the same time, work with today's server-side scripters to make the transition as smooth as possible.

I haven't had any reports of broken player scripts. When I get them, I fixed them. That's a complete misrepresentation. If I've broken the game for scripters in anything other than options, I'm not aware of it. Now, in options, that's kind of the point. I want to break scripts with options. Many of these are options to limit the use of scripts.

Thanks, Comet. If you do have issues, bring them to me. I do want to address them.

Hey, where did Comet's post go? Oh well... ;)

SG taught me the way to avoid that, many, many years ago.

Words to the effect:

"Kav, always quote, that way even if they delete the post, its on the record"

Grin

I went to edit it LOL... Oh well

How true this statement is indeed...

I follow no one, lmao

But what you said is true. For most anyway.

Personally I think JP is on the right track on fixing the game.

Yes people may complain and gripe, mainly the ones that use the bugs for their game play. As for me I like playing by hand, and use of Macro's, as long as the Macro's still work I will be happy.

But I do like some scripts, and do like trying some of them to see what they do.

Vulcan