quote:Originally posted by Zentock

The ENTIRE palnet can comment too this thread this same info, it still does not change the single fact that i have yet too fail too make a 1 sec photon wave duration. and by direct empericial evidence i dispute his statement that a player should fail too make a 1 sec photon duration 25% of the time.

Fine, believe the wrong information you want. On another note, I'm curious where I've claimed something was original information that only I have come up with? I'm not trying to elevate my self esteem, I'm trying to help players become better by giving them the correct information. However, some people, such as you, wish to delude yourselves. As I said at the start of this reply, if you want to be wrong, it's your choice. I would like to encourage anyone else to test it before they rely on either of our information. twgs.swath.net is an open test server with tedit access.

Well I also have never failed on a one second photon invasion and I think this has turned more into and argument about who is right than answering the persons question of personal preference

Anythign from 1-3 seconds duration is great and acceptable to most players Fedspace firings do give a disadvantage to incoming players and multiple firings.... well if you can't get it right the first time should you really be playing?

OK, and anyone that has never failed with a 1 second photon duration is either very good with their timing, or they've only invaded once, and just got lucky. Face it, with 1 second photon duration, SOMETIMES you fail. IT HAPPENS.

likwid

quote:Originally posted by likwid

OK, and anyone that has never failed with a 1 second photon duration is either very good with their timing, or they've only invaded once, and just got lucky. Face it, with 1 second photon duration, SOMETIMES you fail. IT HAPPENS.

likwid

It's occured to me that up through v .39, ship delay set to none actually meant no delays. If people did their testing on .39 or prior, they should succeed every time. Of course it's been a couple of years since .39 was current, but if you don't often photon-move with one second photons, you could end up getting lucky the few times you have. After all, you are more likely to make it than not make it.

NO

quote:Originally posted by Res Judicata

NO

what are you responding to?

YOU

Thats kinda blunt.... hmmm.. no information anywhere from kemper (whos usually posting paragraphs of it) and none from res...

quote:Originally posted by Res Judicata

YOU

If you actually have something useful to add to this discussion, you should expand upon it so people can learn for you. If you're just looking for some sort of childish flame thread, please keep it in the smack talk forum.

Calm down Kemper [8D]. A one word response is not exactly a flame unless you catch spark from it. Sometimes all you get is the blunt answer. Find it useful? no? move on.

Unless its what you want? then the responsiblity is yours. Take it to the sMACKroom instead of twirlin' it around in here. See how fast the subject changed? [V] no'ffense Kemp. [^] your making an example.

quote:Originally posted by TychoCane

Calm down Kemper [8D]. A one word response is not exactly a flame unless you catch spark from it. Sometimes all you get is the blunt answer. Find it useful? no? move on.

Unless its what you want? then the responsiblity is yours. Take it to the sMACKroom instead of twirlin' it around in here. See how fast the subject changed? [V] no'ffense Kemp. [^] your making an example.


I don't believe I said anything that he said was flaming. I did state that if he was looking for something like that, he should keep in another forum. A statement of "NO" with no reference is not something terribly helpful. When asked for clarification, he didn't give it any sort of reference except to say "YOU." Not "your post on xxx is wrong" or anything like that. The only conclusion I can reach based on his posts (and who it is) is that it is some sort of personal attack against me. I only ask that he keep that sort of thing in the proper place.

Back to subject..
I've noticed that anything over 3 seconds for photons (without ship delay) is insanely brutal...you can move like 4 times or so (prolly more if you have stronger macros) within that time frame.
Personally i'd say 1 or 2 seconds without ship delay.. and maybe 5 seconds if you have ship delay at 1/4 or 1/2 ...

Full ship delay is another matter entirely.. 20 seconds and you still cant move an IC (but i'm on dialup so it might be slightly faster with DSL and what your host is running)
Try it out.. see what folx think. then change it to what you feel comfortable with giving the players.

quote:Originally posted by nobody

I've noticed that anything over 3 seconds for photons (without ship delay) is insanely brutal...

Oh, definitly agree. A good low photon timing with the combination of multiple photon fire enabled would be 2-3 seconds. Makes it somewhat of a challenge to the sender as well the dodger. 1-2 seconds if the givers have a strong confidense in their performance. Just don't leave them out entirely. Multiple photon fire just adds to the ****e of it. [:p] Ship delays are for wimp servers, come on. heh No, really though. When I make a move, I want it real-time. Ship delays loose audiences. No one wants to see themselves doing what they thought about 2 seconds ago - constantly. Fedspace fire... mmmm.. no real opinion on that.

Hmmm.. ****e ****e ****e ****e ****e s-p-i-c-e sp!ce, whats up with this? Someone having chili dreams again?

I have found that with 0 ship delay 1 second is fine, with quarter delay make it 2 seconds...anything over quarter delay I wont play so it doesnt matter to me. Fed photons off, thats for the people who dont know how to live outside of SD for the first week of the game, cuts down on SD blockades too. Multiple fire, like the post earlier, if 1 doesnt work you dont need to be playing. To my knowledge if you hit someone once the second one doesnt matter anyway its just a waste of 40k credits.

good point.. I only play 1 game that has ship delays.. but its an old version on a BBS .. just something to pass the time (dont ask).. its neat.. and really a lot harder without being able to Twarp-tow.. gotta move those colts manually... .. good thing for scripts.. make it easier.. can WALK away and let it do the job for me... hmmm