"I have been asked to re bang game B.
I'm thinking of Friday or Saturday night.
There will be a few minor changes.
Terra will produce 3 times more colonists.
More ships and planets will be available to avoid buyouts.
2 day turn bank.
NO DUPING.
No offensive language.
I'm thinking of closing the game after 10 days, thoughts?"

Either day is good.
I think I'd leave it open. There we no problems with that, a few changes in corpies, but no big deal.

I don't understand why you feel it necessary to continue to change things mid-game. I don't think you're cheating, but I do find it very odd. Then when we ask what's up with that, you get all upset and say it changed for everyone and therefore was fair for everyone. First of all, if one corp makes a request, and you go ahead and comply with that request without first obtaining all opposing corps' explicit approval, that's not fair for everyone - the requesting corp has just received an advantage. Second of all, fairness is not the only concern - I don't want to play in a game where I'm not sure from day to day what settings have changed and what settings have remained the same.

Obviously the SysOp owns the server and can do what he wants in his games.

I simply don't want to spend my time planning strategy in a game where the settings are uncertain.

Next time you rebang, tell us exactly what, when, why and how the settings will change, and I might play. I think many other players feel the same way.



Lol, sorry, but stating this isn't going to make it so. If you change things mid-game, and it seems like the things you change give an advantage to your permacorp, then people WILL accuse you of cheating, and understandably so, because whether you are cheating or not, there is the PERCEPTION of cheating. Have you ever heard of a conflict of interest? When you are a SysOp on a server where your permacorp is playing, you are in a situation of conflict of interest and you must be very careful to avoid doing anything that will create the impression that you are acting on the wrong side of that conflict.

Thanks for being a SysOp, but since you're not the last one around just yet, I'll play somewhere else, for now.

Wow, see this is why not to many people want to host games. You just accused me of cheating again.
last game the only thing I changed was the colonist's production rate as it was an oversight on my part, I meant to changed it when I banged the game but I missed it, I did explain that already, and it was not mid game but when someone told me the colonist ran out on terra.
I never made any other changes.
When people started asking for a rebang, it was your corp that was asking for a rebang. I asked if everyone was ready for one. I have the text you sent me to let me know it was ok to rebang, then none of you showed up for the new game. I did get approval from both corps to rebang the game.


So to sum this up. You accused me of making changes mid way through a game to help my peracorp. the only change I made was the colonist production rate and I admitted this, and I do see now that it was a mistake that I will not make again. I'm new to this and I am learning. That adjustment didn't give anyone an advantage.
Please don't accuse me of making other changes, YOU have no proof, it gives the perception that you are only trying to discredit me and my server, which I now think your intensions are.

There won't be any server's left if people keep accusing sysop's of cheating. The perception that someone's server is not fair because the sysop plays on a permacorp is total crap. I don't play on my own server because I want people to see that I'm honest and that I'm not going to play on my server. My hope is they can feel comfortable that I'm not cheating in any way.
You put me in a very bad position, if I don't reply it looks like what you are saying is true (which it is not check the facts) and if I do reply I just open myself to more of your slamming me and my server, I loose either way.
I'm not going to reply to anything else you post on this subject unless its an apology from you for accusing me of making "changes" to a game mid way.

and this is what it looks like when you change things mid game

Lieutenant J.G. Trader Vic [1]
Lieutenant Commander Shadowrider [1]
Ensign Fred [1]
1st Sergeant Newb [1]
Staff Sergeant Walker [1]

Looks like the Flying Circus is having fun playing with themselves.......

They would still beat you guys with a ten day head start on any server.
That's the real issue here huh?

I wouldn't go that far. Tanner and I started the game on the same day and they brought corpies in as I did. so in all actuality it was a pretty fair game. The edit is good was just a couple mis fortunes that have happened. oh well so goes life!

What ever, Your corp had a ten day head start, you guys were playing the game by yourselves, then when you got some competition it was nothing but pissing and moaning. Again, the only thing that was changed was the colonists reproduction. I had requests to make it a 2 day turn bank and I posted that, and gave everyone 2 days to weigh in, I never heard anything from anyone until I changed it, then when your corp pissed and moaned I quickly changed it back before it was in effect.
Again, I only changed the colonist reproduction rate.
There are still lots of servers to play on so just go somewhere else, it's not going to hurt me, people will figure it out.

I love how you say my corp had 10 days advance in turns. I'm sorry but that is the biggest line of BS i've heard in a while. At the start of the game it was Tanner, Lavi, Zercool and myself. Tanner brought corpies in so I rounded people up the same day Tanner corp did. Thank god there are other servers out there. So we don't have to deal with this type of BS. Things magically started happening that were in favor of the corp that you play with. The funny thing is you changing things around and manipulating game play we still managed to hold our own and our resources out weighed them at least 3:1. So i'll leave it with this. I hope you will take your twgs and shove it up your Butt that's about all it's good for. Happy playing it was a pleasure to be reminded of the kind of jackasses that are out there. Unfortunately you just happen to be associated with a few or five of them.. Ta ta

Please be more specific, I changed nothing but the colonist regen setting so I would love to hear your lies. Are you happy now Astro?
Thanks.

No, I didn't. Please show me exactly where you think I'm accusing you of cheating. Maybe if you read it again you will see that I am not.



And certainly not again. I have not ever once accused you of cheating.


By "mid game" I mean after the game is banged and people have started playing. Most SysOps would never change the settings mid game.



I never said you didn't. I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about changing settings during the game.

I think you've completely misunderstood my message...

I'm just telling you why I'm not playing on your server: because you like to change the settings mid game (and you've even said you plan to do so again, in your current rebang, that's why I suggested for the next rebang you spell it out more clearly, and I might play). The rest of my message was just trying to explain WHY it's a bad idea to do that, and why it's especially bad to do it if you happen to have your permacorp playing in that game.


You've admitted to doing just that (except the part about "mid way" - it wasn't the exact middle of the game, but it was while the game was in progress), and I've already quoted the text where you clearly said you planned to make secret changes at some secret time to your rebang of game B after the game is already in progress, so I'm sure as hell not going to apologize about accusing you of doing that.

However, I never thought any of that was cheating; I thought it was an honest mistake on your part. You confirmed this yourself both times when you admitted making the colo regen change. So that's why I'm so surprised that you plan to continue changing things mid game.


Certainly not. You've just admitted again to changing the colonist regen settings midgame. And yet you are demanding that I apologize for accusing you of doing that?
No, I didn't; you obviously didn't understand what I said. Please read again.



You announced in the rebang forum that you were going to make some undisclosed-at-bang-time changes during the next rebang. Since I couldn't reply in that forum, I replied over here, and I tried to explain why I don't want to play on a server where the SysOp thinks it's okay to make undisclosed changes during a game.


Go read your own post on the game rebangs forum!! You say right in there that you plan on doing it again. You said you're going to change an alien planet after the game has banged. You haven't said when you're going to make this change or what exactly the change will be.

So you continue to think that changing the game while it's in progress is okay. All I've tried to say in this thread is that I think it's not okay, and that's why I'm not playing on your server.

That's all.

PS:

I'm not accusing you of cheating.

I think that's true, but how would I know? I don't have time to go compare settings against their previous settings every day; normally, I can be confident that the SysOp hasn't changed anything, but not if I suddenly discover that something has changed; then I start wondering what else has changed. That's one of the reasons the SysOp shouldn't change ANYTHING after a rebang.

You did want to change the turn bank, and you made several computer announcements about it in-game. First, you said you had a request for a turn bank and would turn it on if there were no objections. Our corp objected, but then the next day you posted another announcement saying the turn bank was now on, and that's the last we heard about it for a while, so I assumed you had not listened to our objection. Then I maxed out on turns and realized the turn bank wasn't on after all; you had turned it off again I guess because you'd finally heard the objection. But I didn't know that, so I lost those turns. This annoyed me and contributed to my decision not to play on your server again.

What's the moral of the story? SysOps should not even think about changing a game in which there are trade wars currently underway (there are exceptions of course, but it works as a rule of thumb).

PS: I'm not accusing you of cheating.

I'm glad to hear that, you made my point for me, just keep this in mind, I'm new to being a sysop and I'm not perfect, there will be a learning curve. Hope you find a perfect server to play on.

That's news to me; last time I saw you on teamspeak I asked how long you'd been a SysOp and you said many years.

Not sure what point I made for you (did you read both of my recent posts?), since your posts in this thread so far have been completely off the mark, and I have no doubt that you misunderstood what I said, again.

I never asked you to be perfect... Like I said in my first post, I might play on your server when you fix the issues.

Yeah and thats how things get messed up isnt it, I said I have had the server for years, not that I had been running it for years. I did have it up for a few months many years ago., and if I knew it was going to be this much hassle I would have never put it up again.
I'm still pissed that you would accuse me of helping my perma corp. I did'nt, you guys say funny things were going on, well what?. I know I did nothing so stop accusing me or making it sound like I did. I ran a clean game. You have no proof because I did nothing. I thought one of your corpies had a script that can tell when t-edit has been used? so ask him.
It seem's to me all you want to do is smear me and my server because im on the flying aces.
IDK if you ever come back. Please don't ever come back if your intentions are to accuse me of cheating or you just want to make me look bad.
All you guys accomplished was to bash an honset man trying to run an honest server. I would really like to see you face to face, I bet you woul'nt accuse me of anything that you don't have proof of.

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