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John Pritchett
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Re: What about gridding?
"LOL, I'd love that. I could time your torps as I pgrid around stuff and use that to triangulate your base's location. That'd be great!"
Sounds like a great disincentive for torping on fig messages, which is kind of the point.
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Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:14 pm |
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Singularity
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Re: What about gridding?
John Pritchett wrote: Sounds like a great disincentive for torping on fig messages, which is kind of the point. Or just an incentive to use a staging sector, calculated close to the center of the universe, which is what most of us already do. This particular change would only be good for us. Edit: I think we could accomplish the same thing with a pwarp delay that increases some with distance. Talked about that already tho. The difference tho, we'd want to cap the delay at a particular limit to prevent this sort of stuff.
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Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:19 pm |
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John Pritchett
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Re: What about gridding?
Yes, I'm anxious to see how the progressive planet delay will effect the game.
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Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:52 pm |
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Parrothead
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Re: What about gridding?
Singularity wrote: Space Ghost wrote: Clever Scripter could prolly figure out some timmings and etc etc BUT i thought the idea was worth tossings around LOL, I'd love that. I could time your torps as I pgrid around stuff and use that to triangulate your base's location. That'd be great! Or not... it would, infact, make gridding much more powerful and make it much easier to find bases. Variation in Ping and 50 other things make this a waste of time.
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:39 pm |
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Singularity
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Re: What about gridding?
Parrothead wrote: Variation in Ping and 50 other things make this a waste of time. Depends on the size of the variance. Given the number of torps people shoot, I can do a lot with very little. As for the "other things" ... you should become more familiar with the timings in the new beta.
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Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:47 pm |
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Big D
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Re: What about gridding?
I don't really care for the idea of decaying grid, but I do like boogers idea of increasing the size of fed space protected areas where figs can't be deployed. I also like the idea of planet move delay based on distance, which in turn would allow players to grid more easily out in open space without getting pdropped or torped adjacent.
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Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:13 am |
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Parrothead
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Re: What about gridding?
Won't effect pdrop at all. Only direct adj torp which is not the only game in town for grid defense but it is an important one for one hit gridder scripts.
If someone is pgridding then direct torp is usually a waste of time or Was pre-beta. I usually switch 2 one of several other types of defenses for pgridding.
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Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:45 am |
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Trader_Vic
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Re: What about gridding?
I say just fix whats broke and leave the rest alone.
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Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:38 am |
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Raptor1886
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Re: What about gridding?
John Pritchett wrote: Yes, I'm anxious to see how the progressive planet delay will effect the game. Hey JP, I'm just a noob, however with the 30k uni adjustmen wouldn't adding holds to ships be a worth wile venture? I mean there is no wayto possibly play a 30k unlm with a T-Gridder. I mean no disrepects but this 30k uni seems more of a hassle than anything. ( crap if iit were up to me I would start at 100k unlim unis and work up to 10 mill sector uni's with 12 fed's 8 class 0's and normal fed. I am a nobody In tw however I have been Playing for more than a decade... Change can be good or bad. gOOD lUCK, AND hAPPY hOLIDAYS. lARRY| mY icq IS 422-848-778 HIT me up any time for some fun ty yo
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Singularity
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Re: What about gridding?
The path setting can be adjusted to reduce the need for big holds. But yes, in some games you need a tpad to grid effectively.
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Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:53 am |
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Raptor1886
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Re: What about gridding?
Singularity wrote: The path setting can be adjusted to reduce the need for big holds. But yes, in some games you need a tpad to grid effectively. SO THATS A NO... NO MAS HOLDS..?..... EVEN A EVEN 300 WOULD WORK. i'M ASKING NICELY B4 YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND. tHANKS IN ADVANCE, CORP DU2 ( MISBEHAVIN, SPYHUNTER MUSS, TRADER VIC, ZIP, ZND ME RAPTOR) iF THINGS MUST EVO;\LVE THEN WHY CANT GAMING AS WELL?
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Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:00 am |
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Singularity
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Re: What about gridding?
Raptor1886 wrote: SO THATS A NO... NO MAS HOLDS..?..... EVEN A EVEN 300 WOULD WORK. i'M ASKING NICELY B4 YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND. It's not up to me. I don't care either way, I can easily mod the handful of scripts that use 255 as a bounds check. But changes like this should be well thought out. If I can crank up the holds on a freighter to 300, I can increase the cash per turn of that edit. I'm just saying that even with only 255, you can do quite a bit.
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Raptor1886
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Re: What about gridding?
Singularity wrote: Raptor1886 wrote: SO THATS A NO... NO MAS HOLDS..?..... EVEN A EVEN 300 WOULD WORK. i'M ASKING NICELY B4 YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND. It's not up to me. I don't care either way, I can easily mod the handful of scripts that use 255 as a bounds check. But changes like this should be well thought out. If I can crank up the holds on a freighter to 300, I can increase the cash per turn of that edit. I'm just saying that even with only 255, you can do quite a bit. Sorry was not meant for you. Just jp Since there is a addition of 10k sectors it only seems fair to at least make max holds 300 to 355..
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John Pritchett
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Re: What about gridding?
All I'd consider, as with anything I'm proposing, is providing the option to use more holds, increasing the capacity of edited ships, but not stock ships. The limit of 255 is a field size limit, but with a bit of effort, it could probably be overcome.
That said, it's far from trivial. It's hard to comprehend what it's like working in a codebase from the early 90s that traces some of its roots back to 1986. You suggest 100K to 10 million sector maps as if it's just a matter of choice. There are many things to consider. In the case of holds, changing from a byte to a word field involves touching a LOT of code, and the chance of breaking something is pretty high.
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Singularity
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Re: What about gridding?
John Pritchett wrote: That said, it's far from trivial. It's hard to comprehend what it's like working in a codebase from the early 90s that traces some of its roots back to 1986. You suggest 100K to 10 million sector maps as if it's just a matter of choice. There are many things to consider. In the case of holds, changing from a byte to a word field involves touching a LOT of code, and the chance of breaking something is pretty high. LOL, actually I've done that. Things were designed with byte fields because everything had to run in the lower 640k. It wasn't until windows and virtual memory that we got past that. I spent months configuring QEMM to squeeze out that extra 30k ram in the lower 640k. Ugh. That was when memory mattered. Back when CompSci wasn't just arguing over sorting algorithms, when it actually mattered. A 10m sector map isn't feasible. I think we all know that. 30k is awesome, it would be nice to have 60k if that's at all possible, but I don't know what it would take to switch from a signed int to an unsigned int, or whether it would cause huge problems later on. Do what you can do. If you can't do it, or it would introduce too many bugs or take too much time, then don't. Spend your time where it makes the most difference.
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