I just noticed something from the description of the Planetary TransWarp drive:

"The amount of fuel required to generate this field is tremendous though, and you will only be able to move your planet once every 9-10 days."

Hmmm. I guess it's been awhile since this was true. Kind of gives you an idea of the designer's original intent, though, doesn't it?

Games used to take weeks, if not months, now you can bang em and have em over the next morning!

I think we need to somehow make the alien planets more difficult to capture as that seems to be the measure of most alien filled games these days.

I remember an old version of a tradewars like game (perhaps Yankee Trader) that it really did take days to move a planet. It makes absolutely no sense to me that you can fly around in a planet, and use it like a ship.

I think you can still have the ability to move a planet to sell off product without being able to use it as an offensive weapon, and that's really what I'd like to see more of. The advantage for blue should be to do mass trading. But how much would it impact that if it took 20 seconds to warp a planet to your destination rather than 0.001 second? But a 20 second move would obviously take away the use of planets for offense.

Sure, I'd be happy to hear your suggestions. But my position on these things is to provide options and customizations to allow a gameop to set up games that work how they want them to work without changing the game for others.

Why not just make a flag if your ship has fotons on board it can't land. Drop off the fotons and you can land in the same ship. Seems that could be the simple method.

I understand the customization of the game to attract new and returning players. the more the merrier. I do hope that this just stays as a feature that sysops can drop into. but on the aspect of playing red vs blue each of them have their advantages. if you are looking to find a game that will last months or weeks or whatever then make a edit and put fourth rules that will take care of this. putting a planet delay in that would take 9-10 days to move really isn't the answer. for those of you who want this type of edit good luck once you get so much org and equipment and you want to start planet trading to try and keep up with those reds a few things will happen. 1) you won't have a chance 2) you've already been found 3) you are going to wish your didn't ask for this 4) You've done been invaded and in the process of you trying to evac your sector a red has done taken it over loaded it up with figs and new fuel so you can't touch it. 5) why use a pdrop script? those are very old school tactics. I can just do a adj photon nail you and pop you with the help of a corpie or myself. then when your stuck out there in the middle of the universe your are trying to do a saveme so your corpie and come and grab you. Your SOL because he or she will be there in 9 days or 20 seconds to get you. Even if you do as toyman suggests honestly who uses a pdrop as a offensive tactic? You could put a 20 second delay on the planet for mass trading however what good would that really do? 1 blue sits at stardock you have 3 reds cashing bam you've done blown the blue out of the water even with ptrading. correct me if i'm wrong but from what i've seen from playing against some is planet gridding/saving/cashing with LARGE amounts of turns and LARGE amounts of output for equip and org. So please take a look at the bigger picture here. Planets aren't used as offensive weapons unless your a noob running around with ParrotHead's quick pdrop or plock on a certain sector or running world trade in swath or twx without having it be paranoid then it's your fault a planet would drop on you. Just my 2 cents enjoy


even if you do put a flag on a ship that is carrying fotons not to be able to land on a planet you can just make a fuel selling port or find one and do a adj foton script with twarp. so instead of using the planet teleport you've just caused someone to use a few extra turns by twarping.

I agree with most of what your saying except...I think I was talking about photons...

You know my thoughts i type them down as fast as they come out. hence why it's all here n there LOL. But, I am glad you agree with mostly what i'm saying. I thought you meant landing on a planet to use the teleporter

The intention of the design is to discourage corps from being mixed. But limitations on how those penalties are applied make it very easy to get around. One of the things I've always wanted to do is provide a realtime extern option so you don't have this situation where being in the game around midnight allows you to defeat the rules. If you have a mixed corp all day long, but you don't at 11:59, then you do again at 12:01, then you don't get penalized. Was the intention of the mixed corp penalty to reward those who could be online at midnight? Of course not. So a realtime, 24/7 extern replacement would penalize players for PLAYING mixed corps, as it should be.

Optionally, of course.

And Comet, I didn't mean to suggest that putting a delay on a planet would magically make the game perfect. There are a lot of things that need to be balanced in the process of making any change. That doesn't mean that the de facto balance of the game, which has come about through no intelligent design whatsoever, is the best balance. It evolved to this state. It plays well for some, not so much for others. That's just a reality. I was just illustrating how much the game has evolved away from its original design.

Let's not flame, people. If you haven't come to the point where you can trust that I'm not shoving changes down people's throats, you're not really paying attention.

[quote="John Pritchett"]The intention of the design is to discourage corps from being mixed. But limitations on how those penalties are applied make it very easy to get around. One of the things I've always wanted to do is provide a realtime extern option so you don't have this situation where being in the game around midnight allows you to defeat the rules. If you have a mixed corp all day long, but you don't at 11:59, then you do again at 12:01, then you don't get penalized. Was the intention of the mixed corp penalty to reward those who could be online at midnight? Of course not. So a realtime, 24/7 extern replacement would penalize players for PLAYING mixed corps, as it should be.

Optionally, of course.

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There really is no effective penalty against mixed corps for the most part the way things are now. Blues go Fedsafe, reds lose experience and bust back up for a minor penalty. A blue really wants a mixed corp to lose experience so he can colonize/furb safely.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Sure, but a realtime penalty could be much more impactive. Optionally. With a once-per-day penalty, if you make the penalty more stiff, people just get around it. I'm just saying it is possible to impose a penalty that really does discourage mixed corps, for those who want that.

Why not bar a player from a corp the moment their alighnment is opposite that of the CEO? That would stop mixed corps, but players would then just run mega corps, like we used to in the past. One red and one blue corp working as one "team". It's a bit more challenging to manage assets, but gets the "job" done.

I well remember that strategy, which was essential in HVS given the exp penalty for mixed corp reds (way higher than in TWGS), until an L4 became available. SG used run the redcorp, I the blue. Sometime around Y2K, megacorping became politically incorrect.